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  • New Method For Awarding VPPs **OFFICIAL DISCUSSION**

    There has been discussions about this topic before see:

    Playing ring games ? This might interest you.
    dR3am3R59

    Changes to Rake and VIP Program
    Django66

    Changes to how Vpp's are earned at ring tables
    gatehouse999

    Please continue all discussions now in the official thread. Thank you.


    On January 1, 2012, we will be changing the way VIP Player Points (VPPs) are awarded at our ring game tables.

    Historically, the VPPs earned in a ring game hand have been split equally between all players that were dealt into the hand. The new method will award VPPs proportionally based on each player's contribution to the pot.

    The change is illustrated in the example below:

    Five players participate in a hand of $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em.

    Pre-flop:

    * Player 1 raises to $6

    * Player 2 folds

    * Player 3 folds

    * Players 4 (the $1 small blind) calls

    * Players 5 (the $2 big blind) calls

    Post-flop:

    * Player 4 makes a bet of $9

    * Player 5 moves all in for $21

    * Player 1 folds

    * Player 4 calls

    * The remaining cards are dealt, and the $60 pot is awarded to Player 4

    The pot is $60 in total. Players 4 & 5 contributed $27 each, and player 1 contributed $6. The total rake on this pot is $3, which is worth 16.5 VPPs.

    Under the old method, all five players would receive an equal share of the points, i.e. 16.5 / 5 = 3.3 VPPs.

    Under the new method, the VPPs will be awarded as follows:


    *Player 1 contributed $6 (10% of the pot) and so receives 1.65 VPPs.

    *Player 2 contributed $0 (0% of the pot) and so receives 0 VPPs.

    *Player 3 contributed $0 (0% of the pot) and so receives 0 VPPs.

    *Player 4 contributed $27 (45% of the pot) and so receives 7.43 VPPs.

    *Player 5 contributed $27 (45% of the pot) and so receives 7.43 VPPs.


    A number of Frequently Asked Questions are answered below. If you have a question that is not addressed in this section, please contact support@pokerstars.com.

    What is actually changing?

    We have changed the way VIP Player Points (VPPs) are awarded to each player in ring games. Previously, any VPPs awarded to the table were split equally between all players dealt into a hand. Now, VPPs are awarded based on how much each player has contributed to the total pot. The same total amount of VPPs will be awarded as before. However, some individuals may receive more or fewer VPPs based on how much they contribute to raked pots.

    How are VPPs now awarded?

    VPPs will continue to be awarded in ring games based on the rake collected in each pot. The same total amount of VPPs will be awarded for each hand but not all players dealt in will receive the same number of VPPs. Instead, players will receive a share of the total VPPs awarded based on how much they contributed to the pot. The formula for VPP earnings under the method is VPPs = (your contribution to pot / total pot) * (rake collected * VPP multiplier).

    This does not affect MTTs or SNGs. You will continue to earn VPPs at a rate of 5.5 for each $1 in tournament entry fees.

    IMPORTANT NOTE: In all cash ring games, points are credited at the end of a hand. So if you leave a table before the hand is completed, you may not receive the VPPs for that hand. To ensure that you are properly credited, please ‘Sit Out’ until the start of the next hand, and then leave the table.

    When does the change happen?

    VPPs will be awarded with the new method at tables that are created on or after January 1, 2012.

    How will I know how much I have contributed to the pot?

    Your contribution to the pot consists of any money you put in during the hand by posting blinds, calling bets, or making bets or raises that are matched by at least one opponent. The total amount of those actions divided by the total pot size (before rake) equals the percentage of the pot you have contributed in that hand, and the percentage of the awarded VPPs you will receive.

    Please refer to PokerStars VIP Program for more information, including a calculation formula, on how VPPs are now awarded.

    How will the new method of awarding VPPs affect me?

    These changes will only affect players at real money ring game tables. Tournaments are not affected.

    Because the new method awards VPPs based on how much you individually contribute to raked ring game pots, the impact will be different for all players. Some players will earn more VPPs and some will earn less, but the total number of VPPs PokerStars awards per hand will not change.

    Does the new method of awarding VPPs mean I need to pay more rake to get the same amount of VPPs as before?

    VPPs have always related to the amount of rake paid at the table, not the rake paid by individual players in the pots that they win. This change will affect players differently based on their playing style. Some players will have to play more hands to earn the same number of points while others will have to play fewer hands.

    Are the VPPs required to attain various VIP Club levels being adjusted as well?

    Only the manner in which VPPs are distributed is changing. The number of VPPs required to earn each VIP Club level is not changing at this time.
    Last edited by CannonLee; Mon Jan 02, 2012, 06:57 AM.

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    Based purely on greed pokerstars hang your heads in shame. I work and have a family and don't have the bankroll or the time you are asking for. Can't believe just how greedy this site has become.
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    • #3
      BUMP

      And please see 'closed' thread discussions - unless mods can transfer them here - we obviously weren't aware of this official thread.

      http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/for...at-ring-tables

      to which thread my thoughts so far were

      I agree it is going to be MUCH harder to earn the 150+VPPs for PSO 'tag style' students.

      I also agree this is secondary to being an overall winning player.

      For PSO Premier Players, or PSO video viewing & live training requirements, the 150+VPPs is going to be much harder to attain and I would like to see this adjusted down from 150+ to maybe 75+ or 100+. I'm sure in February we will see far fewer players here being eligible for the higher prize level and viewing requirements.

      This is something PSO could do independently to mitigate the effect the new VPP rules will have here at PSO.

      I would hate to see the Premier League be 'sat out' by many more players who just want to return to the higher prizes for 20+VPPs in the Open Skill League.

      Ed from Edinburgh - EdinFreeMan
      Last edited by EdinFreeMan; Sun Jan 01, 2012, 09:59 PM.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by EdinFreeMan View Post
        BUMP


        For PSO Premier Players, or PSO video viewing & live training requirements, the 150+VPPs is going to be much harder to attain and I would like to see this adjusted down from 150+ to maybe 75+ or 100+. I'm sure in February we will see far fewer players here being eligible for the higher prize level and viewing requirements.

        This is something PSO could do independently to mitigate the effect the new VPP rules will have here at PSO
        .

        I would hate to see the Premier League be 'sat out' by many more players who just want to return to the higher prizes for 20+VPPs in the Open Skill League.

        Ed from Edinburgh - EdinFreeMan
        This should be done immediately, and can be if they really want to.

        We shall see...


        Dale
        Last edited by dale442; Mon Jan 02, 2012, 02:29 AM.
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        • #5
          Can I ask why you would close a great discussion thread just so you could stamp your name to it?
          This has happened a few times and frankly I find it to be a way to sway the topic away from its true issue most of the time.
          If you are going to act like we are allowed to post on any topic,stop closing threads for PSOs better interests.

          As for the topic its all been written and if stars cant see the light thats their own issue.
          Was close to pulling the plug on online poker anyways and the way these sites are acting has me washing my hands for 2012.

          Good luck to those that feel they can beat online,as far as I am concerned I have better things to do with my life.

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          • #6
            This is not the first time a thread has been closed to reference another thread on the same topic. After Black Friday several threads were closed with reference to the preferred thread. This is not meant to dissuade conversation or put spin on it, but to keep an important topic in one thread instead of several.

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            • #7
              Nice reply and I am sure you buy that.

              One question,why no link to the old thread?

              Think we all know the answer to that.

              Be sure to read my last post before saying adios.

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              • #8
                can't wait

                cheers
                Poker Rule #1....Never listen to me...hiccup

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                • #9
                  I understand why pokerstars had to make these changes (tyvm black friday) but it definitely sucks for most of us cash table players. Definitely noticed a drain on the vpp's after the first day, I'm not spewy enough to get the same amount I used to

                  Debating now whether to go back to Single table sng's or finally go over to the darkside and grind out mtt's.
                  You might be a king or a little street sweeper, but sooner or later you'll dance with the reaper.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Deleted user View Post
                    Can I ask why you would close a great discussion thread just so you could stamp your name to it?
                    This has happened a few times and frankly I find it to be a way to sway the topic away from its true issue most of the time.
                    If you are going to act like we are allowed to post on any topic,stop closing threads for PSOs better interests.

                    As for the topic its all been written and if stars cant see the light thats their own issue.
                    Was close to pulling the plug on online poker anyways and the way these sites are acting has me washing my hands for 2012.

                    Good luck to those that feel they can beat online,as far as I am concerned I have better things to do with my life.
                    +1 Great minds think alike. I was thinking that exact thing when I saw the thread, and who started this 1. He's done this to 2 or 3 different threads, all fine where they were,and is completely unnecessary, that is except to please his own ego maybe.

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                      • #12
                        or merge the posts in the other threads into this one...happens all the time in other forums that I frequent more than this one

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                        • #13
                          Hey guys,

                          Usually we would post a news about this change in our news-section-forum and create a discussion thread (which is the official discussion thread) to discuss everything relevant. Unfortunately due to holidays and NYE we were too late this time. In this case we normally link to the most active discussion thread and threat this one as the official thread. We are really sorry that this has not happen this time and we are sorry for any incoveniences caused by an internal misunderstanding. We definately do not want to shut anyone down but concentrate the whole discussion in one thread instead of severals.

                          Unfortunately thread-merging is a mess, because it destroys the whole discussion-timeline. I will work out another solution asap.

                          Edit:
                          We have edited the OP.

                          Please feel free to discuss all VPP changes now in this thread. Thanks a lot!

                          Regards,
                          Christopher
                          Last edited by PSOGefallener; Mon Jan 02, 2012, 06:57 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Hi - & thanks for the OP edit above to include the various original threads.

                            I have just noticed the following in the lobby.

                            VIP Ring Game Happy Hours
                            You can earn 50% more VPPs and FPPs with special Ring Game Happy Hours running all month. There will be one each day from January 2-29, and all you need to do to earn your additional points is play on any real money ring game table during one of the hours listed below:

                            January 2-8: 04:00 ET
                            January 9- 15: 10:00 ET
                            January 16-22: 16:00 ET
                            January 23-29: 22:00 ET

                            I'm not going to comment on this new promotion - just wanted to make sure PSO players are aware as early as possible in case in can help them get their 20+ or 150+VPPs at the cash tables during this month.

                            Good luck all

                            Ed from Edinburgh - EdinFreeMan
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by EdinFreeMan View Post
                              Hi - & thanks for the OP edit above to include the various original threads. I have just noticed the following in the lobby. VIP Ring Game Happy Hours You can earn 50% more VPPs and FPPs with special Ring Game Happy Hours running all month. There will be one each day from January 2-29, and all you need to do to earn your additional points is play on any real money ring game table during one of the hours listed below: January 2-8: 04:00 ET January 9- 15: 10:00 ET January 16-22: 16:00 ET January 23-29: 22:00 ET I'm not going to comment on this new promotion - just wanted to make sure PSO players are aware as early as possible in case in can help them get their 20+ or 150+VPPs at the cash tables during this month. Good luck all Ed from Edinburgh - EdinFreeMan
                              Np Ed!umbup: For everyone that is not aware of the **Vip Club Blast Off OFFICIAL DISCUSSION** catch!

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