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  • Are u guys for real?????????

    VIRGIN POST (long)

    Let me start by saying I have been a member of PSO for around 9 months and have been lucky enough to play in over 460 tourneys. For those who place emphasis on Rankings and Bankroll (I don’t) I am usually floating around 485TH on the Ranking Table and 220TH in Bankroll. Being an “Aussie” I am usually restricted to playing the am tournaments, therefore my name may not be known to a majority of those who read the forums, or only play the pm tournaments. I do however confess to being an avid reader of every single post put on the forums and as such, feel that I do know just a little about many players against whom I have not played through their various posts.

    Some “prodigious forum posters” I have played against on just one or two occasions. I cannot ever recall playing against some others. I enjoy all the posts, and feel that I have learned a great deal from the forums, as well as the tournament play. And it should be obvious from the number of hours played, that I really, really enjoy the site (my wife on the other hand, well that’s another story lol)

    As previously stated I have never posted before. So you are asking “why the hell has he decided to now?” Well, I just happened to be online at the time of the BO2 and caught the action at the final table from the final 9 until completion. Wow what an experience!

    I have been lucky enough to have been to Vegas and Reno to play poker on four separate occasions (not much by many peoples standards, but it is a long way from Sydney). I have played limits from $3-6 at the Mirage up to $30-60 at the Bellagio (that’s $60-120 in Aussie dollars which is a lot for an average Joe like me). I was lucky enough in October of this year to watch Johnny Chan live, at the Bellagio, play $3000-6000 and take cash of a couple of rich fish! Very cool!!!!!!

    “So what” you are saying, “what’s the point” well I just wanted to say that in all the time I have been playing (and watching) poker (16 years) I have never seen such poor sportsmanship as witnessed at the final table and in the posts following, the BO2.

    We all know by now that TomHawk only joined 5 days prior, many of you disliked the last chance tourney’s, etc, etc, fine. I have no problem with any person what so ever disagreeing with anything, and posting as such on the forum, What I do have a problem with is the way many of you have chosen to vent your displeasure toward the winner.

    So far, I have read the following in relation to his play (Donkey play, huge groaning, stomach wrenching, monster errors (nice imagery) terribly bad amateurish plays etc). This is just poor form on the part of those who feel compelled to opine on the subject in a demeaning and derogatory manner. Put yourself in his shoes. How would you feel about turning up to Tunica after reading this? And that possibly every member of the site has read this about you. As for Scarz and going to work, well I don’t know about this from a poker stand point (or if I could have left myself), but if the guy is ever looking for work in Australia, tell him to give me a call. Where do you find employees this dedicated? I think that this act alone probably says something about him as a person. Would you have done the right thing by your employer? The people who pay you, every week.

    You all knew the rules prior to entering. If you did not read them you are plain foolish. A smart operator in any walk of life knows the rules, knows the set-up, and knows how to make it work to their advantage. This is life. This is poker.

    As for those who didn’t like the fact, that at one stage, only 1 or 7 people entered the last chance events because they were at 3am, tough. If this site is to truly “go global”, as I am sure we all want, not every tourney can be run at 7pm Friday Central (US) Time.

    The whole thing was a crapshoot? Maybe. But can you think of a single tourney that you have won, where you have not beaten better starting hands? Good/great play will get you so far. Everyone needs a little luck to win. On this, I have no doubt. For those four or five people who continually sprout their own greatness on this site, when it comes to poker, I think until you are a winning pro, you’re just someone else’s fish!

    To those of you who felt compelled to criticize to play at the final table (and there are plenty of you, even though many of you felt compelled to add “and this is not meant to criticize his play” whilst doing exactly that) ask yourself the following: how many of you have entered a 550+ field and made it to the final 3? Been playing for a prize valued at $10,000? Throw in one of the final players being on p/f (I’ve never even considered this, let alone had to figure a strategy to play against it, under pressure, and on the spot) then factor in the constant heckling/advice /criticism of the railbirds, how many of you would have played better. I have no problem admitting that this PSO member would have probably done a lot, lot worse.

    Honestly how would you have gone? Maybe the ½ dozen or so big bet players who frequent the site would be fine, maybe! Other “prodigious posters”, I am not so sure. As for bad beats, for every one that has been laid on you, you have laid one on other player. It happens. You know this is a fact. If the best starting hand won every time, holdem would be the world’s most boring game. As it would be if everyone only played: AA or KK..

    I hope that all the “posters” who felt compelled to criticize TomHawk in relation to his play will seek hin out and speak to him in person in Tunica and have a friendly discussion on some of his plays. I would hate to think that any of you who criticized his play would hide behind your computer with a made up screen name, and never approach the guy in relation to your very vocal posts/thoughts. He might even be able to convince some of you that not all of his play was gut wrenchingly error filled! Maybe!

    In the mean time, I look forward to the tales from some of you, in relation to you getting PSO’s $10,000 from TomHawk in Tunica. Should be no problem for some of you. As we know, according to you: PSO is no-where like the REAL POKER! you seem to play elsewhere, And TomHawk is bound to play terrible (Donkey plays) poker, is he not?

    I am sure that those who run the site, will seek input from all members as to the set up of the BO3. This is the nature of customer service. If they don’t (judging by the amount of criticism) they would be considered foolish. If they decide not to change the rules (you all now know them now) I can only assume that there will not be a repeat of this derision next year, as none of the complainers will be playing. (I do agree that it is not the best set-up possible, for persons who have been members for 6+ months why not run separate tournaments through the year, say 2-3 per week, and top 300 on ranking qualify for a final tourney? I don’t know the answer, lets think about it people)

    Please note that as this post was already 5 times too long, I have not even bothered to address the x-filers amongst you, who have now started to sprout conspiracy theories in relation to server problems, and PSO rigging the tourney. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

    In closing (finally) this post is not, NOT, intended to “have a go” at any particular player on this site. I was just bewildered at the venomous attack on the winner. He played by the same set of rules as you did. He won. He may have had some luck; he may have made marginal plays (I don’t know I'm not a good enough player to criticize another) but having said all that (and a lot more) Congratulations TomHawk, well done. See you at the tables, I hope!!!!

    Brett

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    • #3
      VERY well said, egar!

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      • #4
        Trust me, it was not my intention to criticize TomHawk (or Scarz).

        What I was trying to say, was that this is a school, and, IMO, there were some very basic tournament strategy misplays.

        So that if he was in school for any period of time, these, IMO, misplays would have been ironed out.

        I hope TomHawk stays in school and becomes one of the top players here. I hope he uses the school as a platform to go on to win the WSOP. And man, what a payday, turning $150 into $10,000.

        As to Scarz having to go to work, the point there was that he had not been in school long enough to even have a general idea how long the BO2 would last. If he had known he would have rearranged his work schedule in advance. Having the chip leader as a post and fold created some inequities at the final table which would NOT happen in a real life tournament. The inequities were that Tomhawk and Lion could steal at will. And they quite rightly exploited these advantages. This put Rio Rita and FreddieBoy at a very big positional disadvantage. There is no question that this altered the final table results.

        It was the structure of the last chance events that allowed this to happen.

        That is/was/will be my point.

        So congratulations to all the winners.

        cya at the tables,

        RG

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        • #5
          Too bad you feel I'm a jackass, I actually enjoyplaying with you when I venture into the am tournaments. Tom played like a donkey, and I call it like I see it. It's not personal. I tell my friends they play like a donkey when they do so, and if I make a bad play I'm the first to admit it.

          Since you told me to ask myself, yes, I've made the final table at a major poker tournament with 500+ players and a first prize of over $40,000. A guy playing like a donkey got all of his chips in against me with (66)25 against my (AA)TK, spiked a 2 on the river and went on to win the tournament. Oh yeah, he gave it all back in the live action during the rest of the week. Seat open. What's the point?

          I made the final table of a tournament this month, first prize over 30K. I made a bad play and got busted. You might even call it a donkey play. Again, how does that strengthen either of our positions?

          Now I know how Noodles feels all the time, you people take this way too personally.

          Let's clear the air.

          Great win Tom. No matter my thoughts on your play, you got it done. Good luck in the future, and I sincerely hope you turn the points into real dollars. If you were offended by the donkey comment, I apologize. Nevertheless, I think you made some poor plays at the final table and got extrememly lucky.

          As far as live play is concern, the whole body of membership is welcome to sit in my game. The 2002 WSOP champ plays in my 20-40 hi lo game. He is the nicest guy in the world, humble, polite and friendly to all. Winning the real big one could not have happened to a nicer guy. You know what, he plays stud hi lo like a donkey.

          Have a nice day.

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            • #7


              Apryl,

              Sounds like you made a big win from the WSOP Final event.

              The ATM machine sits at you game.

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              • #8
                Randy,

                Do you know that Scarz didn't try to rearrange his work schedule?

                What effect did the long delay while dealing with the server issues have on Scarz?

                Maybe he assumed his chances were so slim that he thought it wouldn't interfere with work?

                Not being there after the server crash, I was not a witness to the later tables. However, on reading the postings, I feel that the winners are being unfairly treated because they were not long term members of PSO.

                Had I posted predictions prior to the event I would have said that an "A" qualifier from a Last Chance event would be the winner. This was the largest group of entrants. It happened that way folks, get over it. If you don't like the results, request changes in next year's event.

                Make it group of only top ranked players and permanently bar from PSO anyone that shows down anything less than a premium hand (I won't even bother to enter). PSO will become a footnote in cyber-history, but you can go out knowing that for a brief time you played with only the best players that were willing to part with the membership fee to play cyber-poker.

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                • #9
                  Where do you find employees this dedicated?
                  You don't.

                  As for those who didn’t like the fact, that at one stage, only 1 or 7 people entered the last chance events because they were at 3am, tough. If this site is to truly “go global”, as I am sure we all want, not every tourney can be run at 7pm Friday Central (US) Time.
                  You missed their point completely I think.

                  For those four or five people who continually sprout their own greatness on this site
                  Who would that be? The only player I have seen do that is not very good, and was probably just having a little fun when he posted anyway.

                  how many of you have entered a 550+ field and made it to the final 3? Been playing for a prize valued at $10,000? Throw in one of the final players being on p/f (I’ve never even considered this, let alone had to figure a strategy to play against it, under pressure, and on the spot) then factor in the constant heckling/advice /criticism of the railbirds, how many of you would have played better
                  Well, if it was me, I wouldn't have had the chat or broadcast turned on. Would you?

                  As for bad beats, for every one that has been laid on you, you have laid one on other player. It happens. You know this is a fact. If the best starting hand won every time, holdem would be the world’s most boring game.
                  There are points in the tournament where a person is justified in going all-in and ending up being against a better hand. This is different to bad play getting lucky. It is justifiable play getting lucky.

                  I hope that all the “posters” who felt compelled to criticize TomHawk in relation to his play will seek hin out and speak to him in person in Tunica and have a friendly discussion on some of his plays. I would hate to think that any of you who criticized his play would hide behind your computer with a made up screen name,
                  Noodles is my real name. But then I haven't really criticised him. I have no problem with a bad player getting lucky and winning. If it wasn't him, it would have been another.

                  In the mean time, I look forward to the tales from some of you, in relation to you getting PSO’s $10,000 from TomHawk in Tunica. Should be no problem for some of you. As we know, according to you:
                  Who is you?

                  If they decide not to change the rules (you all now know them now) I can only assume that there will not be a repeat of this derision next year, as none of the complainers will be playing. (I do agree that it is not the best set-up possible, for persons who have been members for 6+ months why not run separate tournaments through the year, say 2-3 per week, and top 300 on ranking qualify for a final tourney? I don’t know the answer, lets think about it people)
                  It has nothing to do with rewarding longer term members. Not in my mind anyway. I don't mind if someone joins the month before and qualifies. Just don't have an illusion of a qualifying period when everyone knows that anybody that wants to play, will play due to the way the last chance period was organised.

                  Please note that as this post was already 5 times too long, I have not even bothered to address the x-filers amongst you, who have now started to sprout conspiracy theories in relation to server problems, and PSO rigging the tourney. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
                  Please what?

                  He won. He may have had some luck; he may have made marginal plays
                  He may well have. Who cares exactly?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TrumpinJoe
                    ,What effect did the long delay while dealing with the server issues have on Scarz?
                    He had left before then. I was sat on his immediate right. He seemed like a pleasent person. I didn't believe his excuses for leaving. I suggested he rang in sick. Who couldn't do that and get away with it? Seems he isn't allowed to get ill in his job. In fact he came up with an excuse for every suggestion somebody put to him. He worked in a casino by the way, as a dealer I think. Maybe PG can comment.

                    Not being there after the server crash, I was not a witness to the later tables. However, on reading the postings, I feel that the winners are being unfairly treated because they were not long term members of PSO.
                    You feel wrong.

                    Had I posted predictions prior to the event I would have said that an "A" qualifier from a Last Chance event would be the winner. This was the largest group of entrants. It happened that way folks, get over it. If you don't like the results, request changes in next year's event.
                    Agreed.

                    Make it group of only top ranked players and permanently bar from PSO anyone that shows down anything less than a premium hand (I won't even boter to enter). PSO will become a footnote in cyber-history, but you can go out knowing that for a brief time you played with only the best players that were willing to part with the membership fee to play cyber-poker.
                    You really have got hold of the wrong end of the stick, I feel.

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                    • #11
                      So that if he was in school for any period of time, these, IMO, misplays would have been ironed out.
                      By who? Where are the big-bet lessons on what you mention?

                      Stop sucking up Randy. Screw 'em.

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                      • #12
                        Noodles said:
                        Stop sucking up Randy. Screw 'em.
                        I worked in the business world too long, I guess. Old habits die hard. :lol:


                        Actually, I truly believe in Mark's long-term dream. As much as we bitch and moan, we have a unique thing here. As a viewer of other chat sites, and as a player at other sites, I am sure you will agree.


                        That said, I point out what I see as flaws in the system, because I truly believe that Mark will listen to his customers. And never again have the last chance events be such a joke. If he wants everybody to qualify, simply let everybody in. If he wants to continue the last chance events, make them so only the top 10% qualify. And let the "As" go for a "B."

                        If he runs the BO3 the same as last year, I will stay and be happy, because the BO3 is only one day of the school year.

                        And Noodles, despite your constant constipation, you have a warm spot in my heart.

                        Randall
                        Last edited by comb@t; Tue Sep 11, 2007, 11:10 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Noodles
                          Originally posted by TrumpinJoe
                          ,What effect did the long delay while dealing with the server issues have on Scarz?
                          He had left before then. I was sat on his immediate right. He seemed like a pleasent person. I didn't believe his excuses for leaving. I suggested he rang in sick. Who couldn't do that and get away with it? Seems he isn't allowed to get ill in his job. In fact he came up with an excuse for every suggestion somebody put to him. He worked in a casino by the way, as a dealer I think. Maybe PG can comment.
                          I scanned the tables after play resumed and don't recall a HUGE stack, obviously I missed it. Coasting from 40th to 3rd requires one helluva lot of chips of some fast and furious play. Was it one of these or a bit of each?

                          Originally posted by Noodles
                          Make it group of only top ranked players and permanently bar from PSO anyone that shows down anything less than a premium hand (I won't even boter to enter). PSO will become a footnote in cyber-history, but you can go out knowing that for a brief time you played with only the best players that were willing to part with the membership fee to play cyber-poker.
                          You really have got hold of the wrong end of the stick, I feel.
                          It doesn't read with the dripping sarcasm intended. Maybe I can do better next time.

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                          • #14
                            scarz left after the server problem in fact he left after going all in with a flush draw against a made broadway (in flatlanders hand) taking out flatlander as flatlander took me out and i was still in at the restart it was 100% after the crash.

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                            • #15
                              Noodles wrote:

                              By who? Where are the big-bet lessons on what you mention?
                              What a great point. Is there even one PL or NL lessons on the site? I couldn't find one when I looked. All I have learned is from posts from various forums, books (and they seem quite lacking) and from the general school of hard knocks...

                              Gojacketz

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