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    I have some general questions for tourney play. We are speaking of NLHE.

    I know thw questions im going to ask will have all kinds of different strategies that could be used that's why im asking your opinions on these issues.

    Question #1
    Open Raise

    Should you always open raise instead of call with big cards such as A-K?
    Please analyze these situations:
    A: you are first to enter the pot and are in Early position.
    B: you are first to enter the pot and are in Middle position.
    C: you are first to enter the pot and are in Late position.
    D: there are limper(s) in front of you and you are in Early position.
    E: there are limper(s) in front of you and you are in Middle position.
    F: there are limper(s) in front of you and you are in Late position.
    G: there are raise(s) in front of you and you are in Early Position.
    H: there are raise(s) in front of you and you are in Middle Position.
    I: there are raise(s) in front of you and you are in Late Position.
    J: there are raise(s) in front of you and you are in the bilnds.
    K: there are limper(s) in front of you and you are in the blinds.

    Which Brings me to question #2
    If you open raise is the standard in nl 3-5 times the BB?
    If so when you flop and dont hit and are bet into what do you do?
    It seems hard to justify raising that much with nothing but Ace high.
    Especially if the blinds are big in relation to your stack. But then if that was the case your probably already looking for a hand to make a stand with. So I guess my question is what's wrong with limping with A-K. Any varying points of view would be greatly appreciated.

  • #2
    Re: Tourney Questions?

    Originally posted by jbh5000
    I have some general questions for tourney play. We are speaking of NLHE.

    I know thw questions im going to ask will have all kinds of different strategies that could be used that's why im asking your opinions on these issues.

    Question #1
    Open Raise

    Should you always open raise instead of call with big cards such as A-K?
    Please analyze these situations:

    A: you are first to enter the pot and are in Early position..
    AKo

    Shallow money - raise
    Deep money without ante - limp
    Deep money with ante - raise

    AKs usually raise, but you can still limp if the money is such that you can limp-reraise all-in.

    B: you are first to enter the pot and are in Middle position.
    C: you are first to enter the pot and are in Late position.
    Raise
    D: there are limper(s) in front of you and you are in Early position.
    E: there are limper(s) in front of you and you are in Middle position.
    F: there are limper(s) in front of you and you are in Late position.
    AKo and AKs - Raise

    G: there are raise(s) in front of you and you are in Early Position.
    H: there are raise(s) in front of you and you are in Middle Position.
    I: there are raise(s) in front of you and you are in Late Position.
    Shallow money -re-raise or fold

    Deep money - re-raise, call, or fold

    J: there are raise(s) in front of you and you are in the bilnds.
    K: there are limper(s) in front of you and you are in the blinds.
    Depends - may raise, fold, or call depending on depth of money, number of opponents, characteristics of opponents, position relative to raiser etc.

    Which Brings me to question #2
    If you open raise is the standard in nl 3-5 times the BB?
    With an ante, the size of the pot after your call is added.
    Without an ante, then 3X the BB is the usual amount though some raise the pot.

    If so when you flop and dont hit and are bet into what do you do?
    Depends. Fold or raise probably. One certainty - deepish money, if you are bet into after you miss, and there are other players behind you, then you fold.

    It seems hard to justify raising that much with nothing but Ace high.
    Especially if the blinds are big in relation to your stack. But then if that was the case your probably already looking for a hand to make a stand with. So I guess my question is what's wrong with limping with A-K.
    If the blinds are big relative to teh stacks, then limping with any hand is a mistake. On deep money it is best to limp with AKo from early position in an unopened pot.

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    • #3
      First of all, I think there is nothing wrong with limping with AK. Noodles has some good advice here on playing ak on varying money depths. This is probably due to the fact that ak tends to get people in a lot of trouble. The larger you make the pot, the more trouble you get in because most people feel compelled to bet at least the pot and many opponents do not consider a less than pot bet a true raise. On deep money, you can "shallow out" the money significantly by raising. Consider this as an example:

      Blinds are 200 for the BB: you raise 5x BB to 1000 and one of the following scenarios happens when you get 2 callers

      a) you miss the flop entirely (now, do you feel compelled to bet the pot? You're going to have 40% of your stack invested if you do)

      b) You hit the flop, bet the pot, and get reraised all in....Your money just got shallow real fast and now you've got to find out if its 2 pair, a set, or some A8 trash hand meant to bust you. Can you handle this? If not, don't raise on deep money.


      On the other hand, on shallow money, it is my opinion that you can't afford to lose with ak. Others may argue, but I hold to the maxim that you've gotta win with ak in the late stages. If you run into aa, then so be it.

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