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    So just came across a player i had labeled TAG he has stats of 11/9/4 over 1.2k hands so i just relabelled him NIT but i normally concider a NIT to be under a VPIP of 10, (for full ring)
    for me (at the moment)


    NIT 10/6 and under/ over
    TP 19/8 and under / under
    TAG 22/14 under/over
    LP 20/9 and up /under
    LAG 23/15 and up/up
    MANIAC 35/24 up/up

    I also have LP sub catorgary for a calling station who once they hit something will not fold,

    Grade b
    I am always ready to learn although I do not always like being taught. ~Winston Churchill

    13 Time Bracelet Winner



  • #2
    I recently purchased Notecaddy but I need to tweak it, games I play vary vastly.

    I use 4 colours.

    Loose Passive calling station= Blue
    Loose Aggresive Raising Stations= Orange
    Rocks = Purple
    Sharks = Red = me I have too many reds in my database which colours too many. I need to work on this.
    Bracelet Winner

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    • #3
      I was surprised but have to say I see a lot of TAGs at 5nl which surprised me.
      I am always ready to learn although I do not always like being taught. ~Winston Churchill

      13 Time Bracelet Winner


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      • #4
        I've said before, it's rare in SnGs but I would imagine it would happen more at cash but if you have a table full of TAGs then you should be the maniac. Loosen up and raise until they start playing back at you.

        Who cares what your image is, as long as YOU know then you can play the player.
        Bracelet Winner

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        • #5
          Have no idea what 11 / 9 / 4 means.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RedLetterman View Post
            Have no idea what 11 / 9 / 4 means.
            honestly wh throws their shoe....

            wait what was te question

            11/9/4

            VPIP/pr/3b

            or

            11 = vounatary puts money in the poy (ie plays hands..

            9 = preflop raises

            4= 3 bets

            grade b
            I am always ready to learn although I do not always like being taught. ~Winston Churchill

            13 Time Bracelet Winner


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            • #7
              Originally posted by Grade b View Post
              So just came across a player i had labeled TAG he has stats of 11/9/4 over 1.2k hands
              So....11 times in 1,200 hands he voluntarily put money in the middle?
              Seeing as how he only played 11 out of 1,200 hands it must mean that the next number (9) means that out of the 11 times he put money in the pot he did so 9 of those times with pre flop raises.
              Furthermore, as for the third number: 4 of those were 3 bets, which sound similar to pre flop raises.

              Still confused, and now I have a headache.



              If you were in striking distance I'd be taking off my shoe.....
              Last edited by RedLetterman; Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:44 AM. Reason: George W inspired....and still confused.

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              • #8
                The stats are % not absolute figures-

                so 20/10 is 20% VPIP 10% PFR

                third figure is usually preset as aggression frequency, but looks like grade b has his set as 3-bet %

                Ed
                4 Time Bracelet Winner


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                • #9
                  My current system

                  everybody immediately gets a note of the game type/date and they are coloured yellow

                  eg $1.10MTT 11/02/2013 New Player to Note (yellow)

                  then as I get reads the colour gets changed to

                  Red TAG 10-20/10-20
                  Orange LAG 20+/20+
                  Green Loose Passive 20+/10+
                  Light Blue Tight Passive 20-/10-
                  Dark Blue Nit 10-/10-

                  I don't use a different colour for calling stations - that just gets added as a note

                  I consider somebody passive if they raise less than half the hands they play - so 40/18 loose passive even though raising 18% - whereas 18/18 TAG again raising 18% - this is where you have to be aware what your own system means and adjust accordingly.

                  Mostly I play Full R?ing MTTs - so if I am playing different formats I will adjust

                  I have special colours for League players

                  Pink = OSL
                  Orange = Premier League
                  Grey = UKIPT Leagues

                  these are because of how differently these games play - so eg stats on a OSL player will often look nittier - all these players get notes as the colour is a general identifier.

                  Ed
                  4 Time Bracelet Winner


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                  • #10
                    Thanks Ed,

                    Nice to have someone here to translate the stats gathered from (I assume) a HUD, something many (most?) of us here do not use. Similarly, most of us here were never stenos adept at shorthand. Such all too often unexplained or ambiguous descriptors have a hand in keeping newbies away from sites such as 1plus1, in my opinion.

                    I've never understood how someone could take a moment or 3 to post yet find it too awkward or time consuming to speak plain English. If the inclination is to respond to this by saying it is part of the poker culture then any further rejoinder by me would have to include a suggestion to read some plain spoken Maggie Mead.

                    As for the second post, it was a partly tongue in cheek reply to b's gaping explanation. It describes the nittiest of nits, one who is raked off or blinded out by playing 11 hands in 2500.

                    I'm not slagging anyone here, so don't take offense. I just appreciate plain English.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by RedLetterman View Post
                      Thanks Ed,

                      Nice to have someone here to translate the stats gathered from (I assume) a HUD, something many (most?) of us here do not use. Similarly, most of us here were never stenos adept at shorthand. Such all too often unexplained or ambiguous descriptors have a hand in keeping newbies away from sites such as 1plus1, in my opinion.

                      I've never understood how someone could take a moment or 3 to post yet find it too awkward or time consuming to speak plain English. If the inclination is to respond to this by saying it is part of the poker culture then any further rejoinder by me would have to include a suggestion to read some plain spoken Maggie Mead.

                      As for the second post, it was a partly tongue in cheek reply to b's gaping explanation. It describes the nittiest of nits, one who is raked off or blinded out by playing 11 hands in 2500.

                      I'm not slagging anyone here, so don't take offense. I just appreciate plain English.
                      don't do plain gov, so soss.

                      Grade b
                      I am always ready to learn although I do not always like being taught. ~Winston Churchill

                      13 Time Bracelet Winner


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                      • #12
                        In the spirit of inclusion I have had my secretary translate the original post.

                        Ladies and gentlemen,
                        When enjoying myself this evening, playing that game of skill know as "no limit Hold'em poker", I happened to find myself on a table with a chap I happen to have played before. Now I recall when previously playing with the chap that he plays a tight and aggressive style, only playing a few hands per orbit, and when he does mostly playing said cards for a raise.
                        Fortunately for me I made some notes on Hands that I was luckily enough to witness to the showdown. Upon reviewing this notes I decided to Change my personal colour code for the chap from purple (my colour of choice for chaps I feel play a TAG that is "tight aggressive" style) to Red (my code for a NIT that is an overly tight player who is only playing the very best starting hands). This lead me to wonder what exactly statistically speaking is a NIT.
                        I logged on the poker school online to see if the nice people there could throw some light on this interesting conundrum. But wait there Grade b I thought to myself why stop there why not see what they think about all villain types.
                        so for myself what do I think....well I guess
                        A NIT- an overly cautious player will be playing less than one hand per orbit of a full ring table and raising and re-raising when they do play due to the great strength of the hands they choose to play. (I code them RED)
                        A tight passive player - a cautious player playing up to (on average) 2 hands per orbit of a full ring table but rarely rising preferring rather to match the bet that is currently in play.(I code them light blue)

                        Tight aggressive Player - cautious player playing up to (on average) 2 hands per orbit of a full ring table and more often than not making a raise in the amount needed to continue in the hand. (I code them purple)
                        Loose passive player - a player playing (on average) 3 hands or more per orbit of a full ring table but rarely rising preferring rather to match the bet that is currently in play. (I code them green)
                        Loose aggressive player - a player playing (on average) 3 hands or more per orbit of a full ring table and more often than not making a raise in the amount needed to continue in the hand. ( I could them Orange)
                        Maniac- a player who raises and plays 4 hands or more per orbit usually for a raise ( I code them aqua)

                        I was wondering if you good people used any method to not the tendencies of the people that you play against and what sort of information do you use in order to draw these conclusions.

                        All the best

                        Grade b
                        I am always ready to learn although I do not always like being taught. ~Winston Churchill

                        13 Time Bracelet Winner


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Grade b View Post
                          In the spirit of inclusion I have had my secretary translate the original post.

                          Ladies and gentlemen,
                          When enjoying myself this evening, playing that game of skill know as "no limit Hold'em poker", I happened to find myself on a table with a chap I happen to have played before. Now I recall when previously playing with the chap that he plays a tight and aggressive style, only playing a few hands per orbit, and when he does mostly playing said cards for a raise.
                          Fortunately for me I made some notes on Hands that I was luckily enough to witness to the showdown. Upon reviewing this notes I decided to Change my personal colour code for the chap from purple (my colour of choice for chaps I feel play a TAG that is "tight aggressive" style) to Red (my code for a NIT that is an overly tight player who is only playing the very best starting hands). This lead me to wonder what exactly statistically speaking is a NIT.
                          I logged on the poker school online to see if the nice people there could throw some light on this interesting conundrum. But wait there Grade b I thought to myself why stop there why not see what they think about all villain types.
                          so for myself what do I think....well I guess
                          A NIT- an overly cautious player will be playing less than one hand per orbit of a full ring table and raising and re-raising when they do play due to the great strength of the hands they choose to play. (I code them RED)
                          A tight passive player - a cautious player playing up to (on average) 2 hands per orbit of a full ring table but rarely rising preferring rather to match the bet that is currently in play.(I code them light blue)

                          Tight aggressive Player - cautious player playing up to (on average) 2 hands per orbit of a full ring table and more often than not making a raise in the amount needed to continue in the hand. (I code them purple)
                          Loose passive player - a player playing (on average) 3 hands or more per orbit of a full ring table but rarely rising preferring rather to match the bet that is currently in play. (I code them green)
                          Loose aggressive player - a player playing (on average) 3 hands or more per orbit of a full ring table and more often than not making a raise in the amount needed to continue in the hand. ( I could them Orange)
                          Maniac- a player who raises and plays 4 hands or more per orbit usually for a raise ( I code them aqua)

                          I was wondering if you good people used any method to not the tendencies of the people that you play against and what sort of information do you use in order to draw these conclusions.

                          All the best

                          Grade b
                          Farkin' brilliant rejoinder, despite the sarcasm.

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                          • #14
                            why thank you sir,

                            I shall aim for something in the middle when creating any new posts.

                            Grade b
                            I am always ready to learn although I do not always like being taught. ~Winston Churchill

                            13 Time Bracelet Winner


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                            • #15
                              That was really helpful grade b (and redletterman for instigation). I recently had a hand reviewed in tournament review forum and when I read the evaluation this morning I actually put it off until I get home as I couldn't immediately understand it. I'm sure it's valuable advice, so maybe your secretary could reword it for me?
                              Also is it possible to get these stats without a HUD? I've used a few trial versions but these expire as I'm just getting used to them. Some have so many options I get lost.

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