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    For me that is.
    Everyone else will probably be happy :/

    "We are happy to confirm that PokerStars was today granted a license to operate in Spain and we plan to launch www.PokerStars.es on June 5th. For now, Spanish players can continue to compete on www.PokerStars.com as normal and don’t need to take any action".

    What it means: Residents of Spain will only be able to play on the .es.

    What it means for me: instead of being able to play on a first-rate site with a world-class pool of players (for good or bad) and an incredible choice of events, I'll have to play on ... the... .es
    No drunk-tanks and similar good things either.

    What it means for you: you get rid of the rather annoying Spanish player pool.

    Oh well.

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    If this trend continues, pretty soon people will only be able to play against their own Countrymen, it will no longer be a Worldwide community.

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    • #3
      http://www.pokerstarsblog.com/2012/p...sp-095057.html

      Doubtful it would ever come to that Bill, it would require all the countries to pass similar laws. While I wouldn't presume to speak for PokerStars on the matter, I would bet my bankroll that if they had their choice, everyone in the entire world would be able to play together on .com.
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      • #4
        OK, I'm confused now!

        If PS only now have a licence to operate in Spain, how comes players like don.b.cilly can play on Stars? And why segregate them, the french, Italians or anyone?
        'Cause I have done it before and I can do it some more I got my eye on the score'

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        • #5
          Iirc you can rejoin the new site and get the start up bonus again.

          This also applies to players outside of these countries. So I in the UK can join pokerstars.es and .fr and get my start up bonus.

          Could PokerstarsVIP confirm this?
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          • #6
            My guess is they segregate because of the rake.
            Since in Spain they will have to pay 25% tax on rake, and pay 35% tax on profits, they have to charge a higher one. Ok, they don't have to, but...
            So I guess it would be too complicated to charge players different rakes based on country on the same site.

            Even though... they could do that for tourneys, couldn't they? So we'd still be able to play big tourneys against a world pool (paying more rake) and ring games Spain-only...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by havocofsmeg View Post
              OK, I'm confused now!

              If PS only now have a licence to operate in Spain, how comes players like don.b.cilly can play on Stars? And why segregate them, the french, Italians or anyone?
              If I understand it right there was a legality change in Spain, before they were allowed to play on .com but now they can only play within Spain (only against others from their country) and the country has issued a license to PS to provide a platform for this. I really don't know the specifics or how accurate that is, but I think that's what's going on.
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              • #8
                Right. Up to now (tomorrow, 9AM local) it was unregulated.
                So we could play against the Russians and all.
                Now it's regulated, and we can't.

                One would think, OK, tax it, fair enough* but why shouldn't I be able to (try and) take the money from the Russians and then pay tax on it if I do? My guess is above.

                Now, with just about every government being bankrupt, maybe this "trend" will continue to the point it will reverse. If every country regulates and demands tax, eventually, it will even out and we'll be able to play on the global internet again.

                In the meantime, if any girl from Gibraltar wants to marry me, I'm interested, please PM me


                * Actually it would be fair enough if they didn't announce cuts to health and education while in the same breath bail out one bank for three times the amount, but [censored]

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                • #9
                  BTW, if anyone either speaks Spanish or can make reasonable guesses on page-translation plug-ins, this is the intellipoker.es thread on the subject.

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                  • #10
                    Actually my guess on the rake seems to be wrong.
                    Rake on the .es appears to be much the same as on the .com

                    So I guess the segregation (which seems to be required by the governments, not the sites) is because... they have no confidence in their own citizens.

                    Along the lines of: yes, we could take a lot of money from Russia and even make tax money on that, but chances are, we'll be losing most of the money to Russia and even the tax won't offset it.

                    Now, I (guess I) hadn't thought of that because I'm not a losing player. I play ridiculous money but I definitely win more than I lose (check me stats, I'm opt-in

                    But the idea probably is, the majority of players are losing players... especially in my country. My country is populated by idiots (I'm the government, I should know, they voted me), so I'm not going to let them play against citizens of other countries which are probably not so stupid as they didn't vote for me... or something

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                    • #11
                      doing the same in australia

                      there doing the same thing downunder.
                      its all about the tax.
                      legalize it tax it crack down on the sites that don't pay.
                      pokerstars will have to work hard to keep the game global.

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                      • #12
                        In this Global Economic Climate, where Countries are finding it very difficult financially, for whatever the reason.
                        Any Country that Taxes Gambling, especially Winnings as opposed to just Wagers, will, in my opinion, follow the example of Spain and regulate Licensing within their own Borders, so that members of PokerStars will be Taxable on any winnings, and the License will ensure that the specific National Revenue body will be able to check with Stars if a person has declared ALL winnings from the Stars site.

                        There is a considerable amount of money being won ( and lost, although Governments aren't interested in your losses, only your gains ) worldwide, and Governments with financial problems would be very foolish to ignore this chance at extra income, albeit small in comparison to their National requirements, but as they say, 'Every Little Helps'.

                        I know this sucks, but I feel that the Global Community of PokerStars is fast coming to an end.

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                        • #13
                          Think your spot on Bill .I have heard muffled rumblings that the Canadian government has a five year plan involving on line gambling sites including poker ones .I heard that about a year or so ago so the clock may be ticking on us Canadians as well.........scorp

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by scorpion1367 View Post
                            Think your spot on Bill .I have heard muffled rumblings that the Canadian government has a five year plan involving on line gambling sites including poker ones .I heard that about a year or so ago so the clock may be ticking on us Canadians as well.........scorp
                            I think your wrong
                            Any winnings from lottery, Casinos are NONE taxable
                            For over 30 years, all lotteries have never been taxed, so why would they start now?
                            All gambling is done with after tax money, so why do countries tax winnings?
                            They should be taxing the rake the companies make

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                            • #15
                              Surprise

                              The Canadian government has on line pokersites ie: playnow.com which are casino, sports , gambling etc., There also is no tax on lottery or gambling winnings in Canada and I would like to see the government that tries to change that, they sure as hell wont be governing anything long.. As there lottery system is connected to their gambling site they are making a killing as you can see by the untaxed payouts year after year and all the non profit organizations they support. If they taxed these winnings all those organizations would lose too, and you think the government is going to take over supporting them . NOT!! Think we are fairly safe for a long time to come. There would be an uprising from both the players and the communities which would no longer recieve lottery/casino funding.
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