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  • How in the heck do you play?

    $25 ante level in NLHE tourney, $10K starting chips.

    I am dealt AA UTG. I raise 3X BB. 2 callers.


    The pot now has something like $2600 in it.

    Flop is Q78 rainbow.

    SB bets $200. I raise the pot, leaving me about $6000. Other player drops.

    SB calls, leaving himself about $8,000.

    I think AQ? A8? I truly have very little idea of what they can have. They are not a maniac, nor are they a top player. They are in a lot of hands for medium bets.

    Turn is an 8.

    SB goes all in.


    What could they have?

    And how do you play this?


    Randy


    PS I will give the answer later.

  • #2
    My guess would be pp 7's

    --Matt--

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    • #3
      Assuming you don't read him as a loose player, then I think you would have to put him on a set, an overpair or top pair excellent kicker.
      I would rule out A8 becuase of the call size of the call before and after the flop. Also I think we can rule out any chance of 2 pair.
      From there, I would evaluate wether he had a tendency to make slow plays or check raises. If he was the type of player that liked to get his opponents to do the raisin for him then I would be happy to check and see how much he valued his hand. But unless the above was obvious, 8 times outta 10 i'm going with top pair or overpair and puttin in a healthy raise. Now either the pots mine or i'm getting re-raised and folding.

      Regards
      HH

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      • #4
        $25 ante level in NLHE tourney, $10K starting chips.

        I am dealt AA UTG. I raise 3X BB. 2 callers.
        Well, the first thing i would say is that your preflop raise is too small. With money this deep, raise the pot.

        With regard to the rest of the hand, I haven't a clue what goes on in the head of a player that bets 200 into the raiser. I would guess that they may be bad enough to either have a full house or a 8 and bet all-in when the 8 comes on the turn. I would still call however as I think there is too great a chance that they just have top pair or worse.

        Their flat call on the flop created a very big pot where a bluff is likely. In fact, I am sure that was their intention when they just called. As a hand they were quite happy to go with would have moved in over your flop raise. So when they call, they either have a set or a weakish hand they are unsure about. When the turn comes, I would imagine even a bad player would check if they just improved to trips or a full house, in order to induce the all-in from you due to the size of the pot and the stack positions. I would think they would only move all-in because they didn't improve and decided to go through with their plan of moving all-in with the hand they were unsure about in order to bluff you off a better hand. Or they had top pair and thought they were best. They may also be bad enough to just be betting a hand because they know they are best, so you could be beat in that case. Either way, I call. I would only fold against a straight-forward player. But then, if that straight-forward player was bad, they may also just be betting top pair because they think it's best.

        However, when a player makes the minimum bet on the flop, I would have raised much less than the pot, when 3 handed with no flush draw. I don't want to create a pot situatiuon that you ended up creating. A small raise is often the best defense against a minimum bet. I certainly think it's the case in this spot. I would have only bet the pot or more if I had less than 6k in my stack. Then I would have moved in I think.

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        • #5
          Noodles said:

          Well, the first thing i would say is that your preflop raise is too small. With money this deep, raise the pot.
          No biggie, but raising 3X BB ($600) is greater than the $525 pot. Anyway, unless I just do it purely on a random nature, 3X the BB is my standard raise.


          And Noodles said:
          Either way, I call. I would only fold against a straight-forward player. But then, if that straight-forward player was bad, they may also just be betting top pair because they think it's best.
          The fact that I cannot put them on any sort of hand is the reason I folded here. I too cannot get inside this player's head.

          And:
          However, when a player makes the minimum bet on the flop, I would have raised much less than the pot, when 3 handed with no flush draw.
          This I don't understand. When I think I have the best hand I bet enough to drive the other one out to keep him from hitting some miracle turn card. If he came over the top here, I would have to put him on a set. Maybe I could have bet $1100 or so, but I do not see what a minimum raise accomplishes.


          Randy

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          • #6
            Originally posted by rggator
            Noodles said:

            Well, the first thing i would say is that your preflop raise is too small. With money this deep, raise the pot.
            No biggie, but raising 3X BB ($600) is greater than the $525 pot. Anyway, unless I just do it purely on a random nature, 3X the BB is my standard raise.
            I am assuming at the 25 ante level, the BB is 200 so the pot is 525 in blinds and antes, so a pot raise would be to 900 or so. I don't know whether you raised to 600 ot to 800 but either way is generally too small with an ante. No big deal, just a little point.

            And:
            However, when a player makes the minimum bet on the flop, I would have raised much less than the pot, when 3 handed with no flush draw.
            This I don't understand. When I think I have the best hand I bet enough to drive the other one out to keep him from hitting some miracle turn card. If he came over the top here, I would have to put him on a set. Maybe I could have bet $1100 or so, but I do not see what a minimum raise accomplishes.
            Against a player with their mentality, assuming this was a tyical sized bet for this player, it achieves the desired purpose that a pot raise achieves without building the awkward pot size that you did. Their response to a smaller raise probably gives you more information with those stack sizes.

            If you thought you had teh best hand on the flop, then I see no reason not to think you had the best hand on the turn, judging from the way it was played. A smaller raise probably allows you to be more sure against this type of player. Also, If they need to hit a miracle turn card to beat you, then why do you desire to drive them out?

            Lastly, take what I say with a little pinch of salt. I'm pretty rusty at the moment, so could easily be talking rubbish.

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            • #7
              you gotta lay it down here, even though it might be the best hand. with 6k, you can still mount a comeback, just wait for a better spot to trap this all-inner...the white chocolate has been melted...

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              • #8
                Thanks all.

                The player had KQs and had a runner runner out on the flop to a flush which is why he said he played it so aggressively.


                Randy


                BTW I did lay it down and finished 5th in the tourney, and only a bad bad... LOL

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