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  • Hand range/raise by position. Comments?

    Wasnt sure where to post this, so I chose general.

    Im working on a hand range by position chart, and am also considering switching to a raise criteria which is also based on position rather than a strict multiple of blind size.
    Obviously, this is a work in progress... and is not cast in stone. I'm sure that playing it will make holes apparent and necessary adjustments will be required.

    Obviously there will also be adjustments made for table attitude, stack sizes, etc... which would be made during a game.
    What Im looking for with this chart is just a basic solid rule of thumb guide to base the rest of my game on.

    Is this range too tight? I know it cant be too loose Opinions on the raise structure?
    Should I play a very much different range out of the SB, BB? etc...

    I would very much appreciate any comments that anyone would care to share on this chart. Please also share your reasoning behind any comments?


    Thanks very much all, and good luck.

    Ist position UTG:

    Raise 4x BB

    Hand range:

    AA, AKs, AQs, AJs, ATs, AKo, AQo, AJo, ATo

    KK, KQs, KQo, KJs,

    QQ,

    JJ,

    TT

    2nd position OTG:

    Raise 3x +1 BB if limper in front of me:

    Hand range:

    AA, AKs, AQs, AJs, ATs, AKo, AQo, AJo,

    KK, KQs, KQo, KJs,

    QQ,

    JJ,

    TT + 99 + 88 (limp behind or flat if possible with 99 or worse, otherwise open raise with

    TT or better)


    3rd position:

    Raise 3x +1 BB for every limper in front of me:

    Hand range:

    AA, AKs, AQs, AJs, ATs, AKo, AQo, AJo, ATo + A9 suited, A8 suited

    KK, KQs, KQo, KJs, KJo, KTs

    QQ, QJs, QTs

    JJ,

    TT + 99 + 88 + 77 (limp behind or flat if possible with 99 or worse, otherwise open raise

    with TT or better)


    4th position:

    Raise 2.5x +1 BB for every limper in front of me:

    Hand range:

    AA, AKs, AQs, AJs, ATs, AKo, AQo, AJo, ATo + A9 suited, A8 suited

    KK, KQs, KQo, KJs, KJo, KTs, KTo

    QQ, QJs, QTs

    JJ, JTs

    TT + 99 + 88 + 77 + + 66 + 55 + 44 + 33 + 22 (limp behind or flat if possible with 77 or

    worse, otherwise open raise with 88 or better)


    5th position:

    Raise 2.5x +1 BB for evey limper in front of me:

    Hand range:

    AA, AKs, AQs, AJs, ATs, AKo, AQo, AJo, ATo + any suited A8, A9, A2, A3, A4, A5,

    KK, KQs, KQo, KJs, KJo, KTs, KTo,

    QQ, QJs, QTs

    JJ, JTs

    TT + 99 + 88 + 77 + + 66 + 55 + 44 + 33 + 22 (limp behind or flat if possible with 77 or

    worse, otherwise open raise with 88 or better)


    6th position hijack:

    Raise 2.5x +1 BB for evey limper in front of me:

    Hand range:

    AA, AKs, AQs, AJs, ATs, AKo, AQo, AJo, ATo + any suited ace

    KK, KQs, KQo, KJs, KJo, KTs, KTo, K9s

    QQ, QJs, QTs, Q9s

    JJ, JTs

    TT + 99 + 88 + 77 + + 66 + 55 + 44 + 33 + 22 (limp behind or flat if possible with 77 or

    worse, otherwise open raise with 88 or better)


    7th position button:

    Raise 2.5x + 1BB for evey limper in front of me:

    Hand range:

    AA, AKs, AQs, AJs, ATs, AKo, AQo, AJo, ATo + any suited ace,

    KK, KQs, KQo, KJs, KJo, KTs, KTo + K9s

    QQ, QJs, QTs, Q9s, Q8s

    JJ, JTs

    TT, T9s

    + 99 + 88 + 77 + 66 + 55 + 44 + 33 + 22 (limp behind or flat if possible with 77 or worse,

    otherwise open raise with 88 or better)


    8th position SB:

    Raise 2.5x +1 BB for evey limper in front of me:

    Hand range:

    AA, AKs, AQs, AJs, ATs, AKo, AQo, AJo, ATo + any suited A8, A9, A2, A3, A4, A5,

    KK, KQs, KQo, KJs, KJo, KTs,

    QQ, QJs

    JJ, JTs

    TT + 99 + 88 + 77 + + 66 + 55 + 44 + 33 + 22 (limp behind or flat if possible with 88 or

    worse, otherwise open raise with 99 or better)


    9th position BB:

    Raise 2.5x +1 BB for evey limper in front of me:

    Hand range:

    AA, AKs, AQs, AJs, ATs, AKo, AQo, AJo, ATo + any suited A8, A9, A2, A3, A4, A5,

    KK, KQs, KQo, KJs, KJo, KTs,

    QQ, QJs

    JJ, JTs

    TT + 99 + 88 + 77 + + 66 + 55 + 44 + 33 + 22 (limp behind or flat if possible with 88 or

    worse, otherwise open raise with 99 or better)

  • #2
    ** Moved to a better forum **

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    • #3
      Thanks Joe. umbup: Surely someone has comments on adjusting raise amount by position or comments about hand range by position... right? Hope to hear your thoughts. I'll check back later. Thanks.
      Last edited by IpushHard; Mon Dec 12, 2011, 02:33 AM. Reason: typo

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      • #4
        You cannot just formulate a chart and use it at all times, different types of game will require a different strategy, tournaments are far different to cash games.

        I did notice that you made no mention of suited connectors though.

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        • #5
          Yes, as I mentioned in the OP I'm looking for a general rule of thumb.
          I dont play many speculative "small ball" types of hands, except out of the BB in non raised pots... OR if I happen to be very card dead and have no choice but to play them.
          The bigger connectors are listed on the chart.

          OK, I guess there isnt much interest in position based raising, or start range.


          Thanks for the input.

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          • #6
            way too loose, ATo UTG? lol i rarely play UTG only with pockets 9s or 10s+ and mostly i just limp to try to see a good flop.

            with ur chart u get a vpip or 40+ you should aim for 15-25 something... tighten ur your ranges real bad or you might lose alot of money to 3 bets and having to fold shit hands.

            Also in early position you dont have the same advantage to raise on the flop if everyone checked because ur mostly first to act.

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            • #7
              I like the concept of raising larger from EP and smaller from LP as it's something I've been trying out myself. And the over-arching general idea of switching up raising bet sizes based on positions is certainly much better than doing it based on hand strength,as the latter is easily exploitable.

              The problem I have with your charts here is that your range from the EP spots is way,way too wide.
              The AJ and A10 hands are going to get you in a lot of tough spots. The Kx hands from 1st 3 positions need to go as a rule. The Qx hands from EM positions as well. These type of hands will get you in trouble more often than not.

              And tiber is right---these hand ranges and you're looking at something like a 40% VPIP. Way too high as a baseline VPIP.

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              • #8
                If your changing your raise size because of position I think you should raise small UTG and larger from late position.

                The reasons are because UTG you will have a tighter hand range and want action, I would suggest AQ+ , 77+ UTG .

                Also in late position your aim is to steal the blinds often and a larger raise will acomplish this more than a small raise.

                I have seen a video where Chris Ferguson teaches this, I think its best though to have the same raise size no matter what your position and change it depending on your stack size.

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                • #9
                  Actually their are two schools of thought on raise size being determined by position. One is as above and the other is the OP's thought based on 1) better hand so build a pot now and 2) EP has more players yet to act so the chances of action are increased.

                  I have done both and decided to stay with a std raise independent of position but I raise more on a loose table than on a tight one.

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