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  • Keeping notes

    I hear alot about keeping notes on this forum, I would like to try this but i dont know what notes to keep.

    Could somebody please give me advice on what notes to keep?

  • #2
    Most importantly, what type of player are they? Are they loose, tight, aggressive, passive, etc. Once you start there, you can add things like, what types of hands do they like to raise with in early, late position. Are they willing to fold to 3-bets? Those types of things you can just keep adding forever. You may have also read that you can color code players. You should develop a system for what type of players you want to assign a color for easy quick reference. Notes are a great and essential tool to use so best of luck with it. You may also want to look down the road at some programs like poker tracker 3 which will tell you exactly how many hands your opponents are playing and much, much more. umbup:

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    • #3
      I've always found it hard to keep notes, because as soon as you have someone figured out, they change their strategy. Whether they do it knowingly or not, its sometimes hard to read a player's range in the early stages of a tournament before you/them get moved to a different table.

      I'm also looking for advice on this topic as there is always room to improve.

      S.Vanzella

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      • #4
        What Dan has said is a good starting point.

        Another thing you should wish to do when taking notes is making your own form of "poker shorthand", so that you can make your taking more efficient.

        Here would be some examples...

        tight passive/tight aggressive = TPA/TAG
        loose passive/loose aggressive = LPA/LAG
        early position = EP
        late position = LP
        last to act = LTA
        any two cards = ATC
        cutoff = CO
        button = BU
        hijack (player before cutoff) = HJ
        under the gun/first to act = UTG
        second to act = UTG+1
        third to act = UTG+2
        a hand that is suited/not suited = XXs/XXoff
        clubs/diamonds/hearts/spades = c/d/h/s
        any ace = Ax
        suited connectors = sucons
        raise to three times the big blind = R3xBB
        bet 40% of pot post flop = B40%P
        pot sized bet/raise = PSB/PSR
        flop of AK2 with 3 different suits = AK2 rainbow
        flop of AK2 with 1 club and 2 spades = AK2 c2s
        flop of Ace of diamonds, King of hearts, 2 of spades = AdKh2s
        flat called the pre flop raise = FC'ed

        You want to make your note taking as streamlined and as efficient a process as possible. If it isn't, a single note on a single opponent can end up becoming a mini essay (a bit like this post then lol). That is not a good thing, as you want to be spending more time observing your opponents tendencies than you do actually typing about them in your notes box. Take the time to read a poker glossary/list of poker terms and learn them. Have your instant hand history and your table(s) positioned in such a way that you can type your notes without having to switch windows all the time. All these little things have helped me make notes on opponents in a more efficient manner. It's particularly important when playing in the Premier League as you are likely to be playing the same players on a more frequent basis due to the small size of the field. Getting familiar with how they play the game can help you make better decisions.

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        • #5
          The Langolier is running a class on note taking this saterday at 2pm. He also has a video in the video libary on this topic.

          Grade b
          I am always ready to learn although I do not always like being taught. ~Winston Churchill

          13 Time Bracelet Winner


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          • #6
            thanks for the advice all, mmm thats 8 PM for me, not gonna attend it as I have more important things to do like getting wasted

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Grade b View Post
              The Langolier is running a class on note taking this saterday at 2pm. He also has a video in the video libary on this topic.

              Grade b
              Not in the archives yet
              May the tinfoil protect you. MT

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              • #8
                My Bad, I will take notes for you.
                I am always ready to learn although I do not always like being taught. ~Winston Churchill

                13 Time Bracelet Winner


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by XxTiberxX View Post
                  thanks for the advice all, mmm thats 8 PM for me, not gonna attend it as I have more important things to do like getting wasted
                  At least u have your priorities straight
                  May the tinfoil protect you. MT

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                  • #10
                    "The important Questions you want an IMMEDIATE answer to are:

                    1) How many hands does he play?
                    2) Does he bet a lot, or is he a "Calling Station"?
                    3) Does he bluff?
                    4) Can he BE bluffed?
                    5) Does he have a good knowledge of the game, or is he a "weak" player?
                    6) Is his play thrown off by a "bad beat"?
                    7) Does he always play the same hand the same way, or does he mix up his play (by "changing gears")?

                    Quote from Bobby Baldwin's Limit hold 'Em section of the original super/System book...

                    These are the things I look for right from the start. I keep info regarding these things.
                    Double Bracelet Winner

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                    • #11
                      2 notes on note-taking:

                      1) I find the color-code labels on PS very useful.
                      Just for a laugh, I'll share a few codes I use:
                      Yellow is "loose-aggr-gold-mine"
                      Purple is "loose-aggr-stupidly-lucky" (changes to Y soon enough usually)
                      Blue is "clueless"
                      I also made a "custom" brown label, your guess what it's for

                      A note on the note on nt... if you follow the low-end of the tourney, it is rather gratifying to see all the yellows and purples and reds go whizzing by


                      2) Something that will help your notes, and it's free and open-source:
                      free poker database (on sourceforge)
                      It works better on linux than on msw
                      It even works with 8-game, stud and badugi
                      before you complain that "it's complicated"...
                      .. just make sure you save you hand history before running it

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                      • #12
                        How much do you trust in your inicial notes? and what has to happen so change your mind of a previous note?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Neo Potter View Post
                          How much do you trust in your inicial notes? and what has to happen so change your mind of a previous note?
                          I do not trust a lot in em, especially if the notes say the opponent is a "donk" type.

                          "Bad" players can learn.
                          "Good" players may have been playing you on an "off day".
                          In short, mistakes made yesterday are no guarentee that the same mistakes will be seen by you TODAY.

                          As such, I'd strongly suggest you DATE your notes.
                          The older the date tends to be, the less initial stock I'd place in the notes.

                          Also, you gotta remember that your notes should not be a REPLACEMENT for your observations. If you treat notes like a "crutch", you can lead yourself into a lot of problems. I prefer to use notes as "indicators of possibilities", but will make sure I see those same indicators TODAY before configuring my exploitative plays. In large part, your past notes can help you in "close edge" situations, where your options are not clear cut; they tend to provide "extra" info upon which you right lean one way or the other.

                          They are not a replacement for you current table observations by any means...
                          Double Bracelet Winner

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JDean View Post
                            I do not trust a lot in em, especially if the notes say the opponent is a "donk" type.

                            "Bad" players can learn.
                            "Good" players may have been playing you on an "off day".
                            In short, mistakes made yesterday are no guarentee that the same mistakes will be seen by you TODAY.

                            As such, I'd strongly suggest you DATE your notes.
                            The older the date tends to be, the less initial stock I'd place in the notes.

                            Also, you gotta remember that your notes should not be a REPLACEMENT for your observations. If you treat notes like a "crutch", you can lead yourself into a lot of problems. I prefer to use notes as "indicators of possibilities", but will make sure I see those same indicators TODAY before configuring my exploitative plays. In large part, your past notes can help you in "close edge" situations, where your options are not clear cut; they tend to provide "extra" info upon which you right lean one way or the other.

                            They are not a replacement for you current table observations by any means...

                            +gazillion and 1

                            Effective note taking is just one more tool in your toolbox. You should also besides dating the notes (I believe each time you open and/or add anything to notes on a player it updates the date automatically so maybe date each entry as you make it for reference...) take care to acknowledge a rough idea of how many actual hands played with that player you are basing these observations on. Naturally the more hands the more accurate a "read" you are likely to have booked in your notes. Basing notes of just a handful of hands with an opponent is not at all likely to be anything even close to accurate.

                            As JD said here notes can be an effective SUPPLEMENT to your game but if you get into the habit of using them to SUPPLANT your immediate reads at a table you're asking for trouble.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Maj. D Zastr View Post
                              2 notes on note-taking:

                              1) I find the color-code labels on PS very useful.
                              Just for a laugh, I'll share a few codes I use:
                              Yellow is "loose-aggr-gold-mine"
                              Purple is "loose-aggr-stupidly-lucky" (changes to Y soon enough usually)
                              Blue is "clueless"
                              I also made a "custom" brown label, your guess what it's for

                              A note on the note on nt... if you follow the low-end of the tourney, it is rather gratifying to see all the yellows and purples and reds go whizzing by


                              2) Something that will help your notes, and it's free and open-source:
                              free poker database (on sourceforge)
                              It works better on linux than on msw
                              It even works with 8-game, stud and badugi
                              before you complain that "it's complicated"...
                              .. just make sure you save you hand history before running it
                              custom brown label, is it for brown belt ninja?:

                              Quintuple Bracelet Winner

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