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  • the secret of KQ!!

    Can anybody tell me what the tought behind playing KQ is when there is a 4 BB raise on the table or a shove?? I know broadway hits easy but that's not it.

    my JJ got crushed 2 times today because i got called with KQ.

    but everyware i read i have to be causious with this starthand.

    the first crush i raised 4 BB in early possition and i get called the second again early but a shortstack shove and got called by the BB who has 1,5 times my stack??

    i see this move often withthis hand! are the truly that powerfull or overrated????

  • #2
    Originally posted by 77wopke77 View Post
    Can anybody tell me what the tought behind playing KQ is when there is a 4 BB raise on the table or a shove?? I know broadway hits easy but that's not it.

    my JJ got crushed 2 times today because i got called with KQ.

    but everyware i read i have to be causious with this starthand.

    the first crush i raised 4 BB in early possition and i get called the second again early but a shortstack shove and got called by the BB who has 1,5 times my stack??

    i see this move often withthis hand! are the truly that powerfull or overrated????
    Beautiful KQ, when King is on top of the Queen can be tricky, and when Queen is on top of the King its a defo winner, ie (on top) meaning when they r dealt in that position LOL

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    • #3
      Too many different factors in poker to ever say how to play kq. Every situation is unique as is every players abilities.

      Various Factors:

      Example - Your BB with a deep stack and small stack MP shoves, however you're getting incredible pot odds / isolated battle - snap call

      Example - Utg raises 3x , Hijack who has played Tag calls and you are in CO - Calling could get dangerous even with position / Squeeze play could be sexy / Folding fine too !

      Example - You get them Utg with 15ish bb's on a very Lag table - fold

      Example - You have 3 bb's remaining and are first to open with kq - shove

      etc etc etc

      Some players are very confident in their post flop play and feel they can outplay their opponents. They will call off some raises with kq even though they know they are more than likely behind pre and work it from there.

      Others are still new to poker and have trouble folding when they hit a pair and all the warning signs point to danger.

      If you are still fairly new to nlhe then I would tend to agree with the "play it cautious" warning as they can get you into trouble. Experiment in the freerolls and figure out where you stand
      Last edited by Da Sens Fan; Sat Jul 23, 2011, 04:36 PM.
      You might be a king or a little street sweeper, but sooner or later you'll dance with the reaper.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 77wopke77 View Post
        Can anybody tell me what the tought behind playing KQ is when there is a 4 BB raise on the table or a shove?? I know broadway hits easy but that's not it.

        my JJ got crushed 2 times today because i got called with KQ.

        but everyware i read i have to be causious with this starthand.

        the first crush i raised 4 BB in early possition and i get called the second again early but a shortstack shove and got called by the BB who has 1,5 times my stack??

        i see this move often withthis hand! are the truly that powerfull or overrated????
        were the KQ soooooooooted? LOL.

        Seriously go to pokerstove.com and download this software to see how KQ off or suited plays against any range. You should be jumping up and down when the KQ calls off against your JJ becasue in the long run you are gonna have a full bucket! Try not to be results oriented but focus on making the right poker move based on your reads.

        Gidee Up!

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        • #5
          Well tnx but i rarely see à player know what he is doing with them somehow they tend to get pushed. I know u can make loads out of them of played right. Like the 98s an T9s.

          What i mean is that i Often see them appear in preflop shoves.

          The ones that know how to play them only Shove them shortstacked.

          My examples by the way where not soooooooooooted lol

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          • #6
            Well for me,

            any two cards are playable, l have won the same amount of times with 4 7 off, as l do with AA,

            I play the table, position, chip stack etc.

            They can't see my cards, getting them to think l have something else other than what l have,

            is what l try to do, for me l think this game is more of a mind game than the cards you get,

            you can't wait only for the top hands, ATC is good for me,

            some call this drunk guy poker
            hard to read a drunk, hehe

            cheers
            Poker Rule #1....Never listen to me...hiccup

            7 Time Bracelet Winner


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            • #7
              Originally posted by effsea View Post
              Well for me,

              any two cards are playable, l have won the same amount of times with 4 7 off, as l do with AA,

              I play the table, position, chip stack etc.

              They can't see my cards, getting them to think l have something else other than what l have,

              is what l try to do, for me l think this game is more of a mind game than the cards you get,

              you can't wait only for the top hands, ATC is good for me,

              some call this drunk guy poker
              hard to read a drunk, hehe

              cheers
              LAG play = DRUNK play?? am i correct! u must be very sollid then because playing 74 is difficult!!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 77wopke77 View Post

                LAG play = DRUNK play?? am i correct! u must be very sollid then because playing 74 is difficult!!

                l'm no teacher, or pro at this game, very far from it,

                my way may not work for all, sometimes does not work for me,

                but l focus on the mind game vs cards l get, control over the table is the key,

                l will put myself out there by saying, l think we tend to over think this game, this is not the game of bridge, pretty simple if you ask me,

                so that being said, have the right mind set, play the table, not your cards,

                ok the guys who really know this game, flame away

                cheers all
                hiccup
                Poker Rule #1....Never listen to me...hiccup

                7 Time Bracelet Winner


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                • #9
                  Interesting concept effsea, not sure if i totally agree with this but it makes sense if you think about it

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                  • #10
                    2 min. ago....lol...hiccup

                    4 7 off is the nuts


                    *********** # 2 **************
                    PokerStars Game #64957081280: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05 USD) - 2011/07/23 11:54:03 ET
                    Table 'Hertha IV' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
                    Seat 1: Macovega ($5.12 in chips)
                    Seat 2: effsea ($5.35 in chips)
                    Seat 3: Tibaz86 ($4.05 in chips)
                    Seat 5: MILLIMON ($2 in chips)
                    Seat 7: fidodido38 ($2.78 in chips)
                    Seat 8: MoxHypKa ($1.86 in chips)
                    Seat 9: Metfan666 ($3.61 in chips)
                    MILLIMON: posts small blind $0.02
                    fidodido38: posts big blind $0.05
                    *** HOLE CARDS ***
                    Dealt to effsea [4c 7h]
                    MoxHypKa: folds
                    Metfan666: folds
                    Macovega: folds
                    effsea: raises $0.15 to $0.20
                    Tibaz86: folds
                    MILLIMON: folds
                    fidodido38: folds
                    Uncalled bet ($0.15) returned to effsea
                    effsea collected $0.12 from pot
                    *** SUMMARY ***
                    Total pot $0.12 | Rake $0
                    Seat 1: Macovega folded before Flop (didn't bet)
                    Seat 2: effsea collected ($0.12)
                    Seat 3: Tibaz86 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
                    Seat 5: MILLIMON (small blind) folded before Flop
                    Seat 7: fidodido38 (big blind) folded before Flop
                    Seat 8: MoxHypKa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
                    Seat 9: Metfan666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


                    lol
                    Poker Rule #1....Never listen to me...hiccup

                    7 Time Bracelet Winner


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                    • #11
                      another hand playing the table

                      *********** # 4 **************
                      PokerStars Game #64957323676: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05 USD) - 2011/07/23 12:00:59 ET
                      Table 'Vinata' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
                      Seat 1: sedoy300 ($13.23 in chips)
                      Seat 2: m11a ($2.50 in chips)
                      Seat 3: DoblaoVoY ($13.38 in chips)
                      Seat 4: Phil_Brown27 ($5.11 in chips)
                      Seat 5: Nelietis89 ($3.58 in chips)
                      Seat 6: 24 EL PIRATA ($2.29 in chips)
                      Seat 8: effsea ($4.95 in chips)
                      Seat 9: luismi171 ($1.45 in chips)
                      24 EL PIRATA: posts small blind $0.02
                      ggGoldenPunk: is sitting out
                      effsea: posts big blind $0.05
                      *** HOLE CARDS ***
                      Dealt to effsea [Jh 9h]
                      ggGoldenPunk leaves the table
                      luismi171: calls $0.05
                      sedoy300: folds
                      kan7 (spain) joins the table at seat #7
                      m11a: folds
                      DoblaoVoY: folds
                      Phil_Brown27: folds
                      Nelietis89: folds
                      24 EL PIRATA: folds
                      effsea: checks
                      *** FLOP *** [Td 6h 8h]
                      effsea: checks
                      luismi171: bets $0.10
                      effsea: calls $0.10
                      *** TURN *** [Td 6h 8h] [5c]
                      effsea: checks
                      luismi171: bets $0.25
                      effsea: calls $0.25
                      *** RIVER *** [Td 6h 8h 5c] [Kc]
                      effsea: bets $0.40
                      luismi171: folds
                      Uncalled bet ($0.40) returned to effsea
                      effsea collected $0.78 from pot
                      *** SUMMARY ***
                      Total pot $0.82 | Rake $0.04
                      Board [Td 6h 8h 5c Kc]
                      Seat 1: sedoy300 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
                      Seat 2: m11a folded before Flop (didn't bet)
                      Seat 3: DoblaoVoY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
                      Seat 4: Phil_Brown27 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
                      Seat 5: Nelietis89 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
                      Seat 6: 24 EL PIRATA (small blind) folded before Flop
                      Seat 8: effsea (big blind) collected ($0.78)
                      Seat 9: luismi171 folded on the River
                      Poker Rule #1....Never listen to me...hiccup

                      7 Time Bracelet Winner


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                      • #12
                        To me KQ is a dangerous hand and I would only play this in position or when I have a good solid chip stack I'll raise this from middle position to get the limpers out of the way. if players fold to you and you're on the co or button it's a nice hand to try and pick up the blinds or call small raises and play the flop. Anyone with a different view please comment as I am still learning

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                        • #13
                          lol my eyes must be real bad i keep reading J 9 hearts can't find KQ at all
                          Triple Bracelet Winner

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by taxi128 View Post
                            lol my eyes must be real bad i keep reading J 9 hearts can't find KQ at all

                            lol...hiccup

                            l'm just trying to say no matter if it's KQ or ATC, any hand can win or lose,

                            l have just as much success with 7 4 off as l do with AA

                            focusing on your hand is a mistake in my opinion,

                            not saying l'm right, just the way l play this silly game

                            cheers
                            Poker Rule #1....Never listen to me...hiccup

                            7 Time Bracelet Winner


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                            • #15
                              where the hell are the guys that really know this game of poker,

                              dave,sand,panick,JD,mox,dman

                              would like to hear from them,

                              cheers
                              hiccup
                              Poker Rule #1....Never listen to me...hiccup

                              7 Time Bracelet Winner


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