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    Hey guys, last night and today hasn't been to pleasant for me... my first big downswing since i made my last deposit. lol i don't feel so good. I'm making this thread to discuss your downswings and tilt's. How bad they were and what you did to fix them. Let your tilt stories begin!

  • #2
    Not a tilt story but a question. Was your downswing due to tilt, i.e. induced bad decisions, or just normal variance?

    If it is due to tilt you have found a leak you must work on. If its due to variance, poker happens.

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    • #3
      Why talk about downswings? They're miserable. I think it would be better to discuss strategies to overcome them, both in terms of checking ourselves for bad play, and recovering from the mental and emotional strain of the loss.

      1) Lately, I've been tightening up my opening ranges so that I'm only playing about 20% of hands at my 6-max cash games. I've also stopped calling raises unless I'm holding a pocket pair and can setmine profitably. Instead of calling behind with my AQ on the BU, I'm raising it.

      In addition to my range tightening, I've been scouring my HEM database for leaks in my play. I'm starting to recognize that I'm often too willing to get my money in preflop, and there are very few cases where that's profitable (holding AK is apparently not one of them, if it's 100BB that I'm getting in). I've also replayed some hands from my database where I gained/lost 50BB or more and asked myself, "WTF was I thinking?" I see that I need to start thinking more about the hands that I play, because going into poker-autopilot isn't just leaving money on the table, it's costing me stacks.

      2) I find that hot chocolate helps my tilt.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by TrumpinJoe View Post
        Not a tilt story but a question. Was your downswing due to tilt, i.e. induced bad decisions, or just normal variance?

        If it is due to tilt you have found a leak you must work on. If its due to variance, poker happens.
        At first it was more than likely due to normal variance. But i guess that would have triggered my tilt (Making probably not the best decisions) And losing like that kinda makes me want to play more, hence losing more money.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by PanickyPoker View Post
          Why talk about downswings? They're miserable. I think it would be better to discuss strategies to overcome them, both in terms of checking ourselves for bad play, and recovering from the mental and emotional strain of the loss..
          Haha well said, but i did include that in my first post. Guess i should have put that first lol. And ya i totally agree with you

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          • #6
            I think my worries are gone now lol. It seems my downswing turned into an upswing! I played two $1.50 18 man sitngo and placed 1st in both of them (I moved from $3.50 down to $1.50) But then again maybe i shouldn't get too excited it is only two sitngos lol! But now i'm feeling much better and got my confidence back, so i'm pretty sure my tilt has gone... Alls now to do is built my BR back up. Heres a few hands from my recent Sitngo, Feel free to analyse if you wish.

            PokerStars Game #64836452304: Tournament #417078947, $1.32+$0.18 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2011/07/20 20:22:04 NT [2011/07/20 18:52:04 ET]
            Table '417078947 2' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
            Seat 1: the_eagle23 (6265 in chips)
            Seat 2: 6456488 (5301 in chips)
            Seat 6: quinilof (5089 in chips)
            Seat 8: Mariezas (4965 in chips)
            Seat 9: batasunis (5380 in chips)
            the_eagle23: posts the ante 25
            6456488: posts the ante 25
            quinilof: posts the ante 25
            Mariezas: posts the ante 25
            batasunis: posts the ante 25
            the_eagle23: posts small blind 100
            6456488: posts big blind 200
            *** HOLE CARDS ***
            Dealt to the_eagle23 [Ts Tc]
            quinilof: folds
            Mariezas: folds
            batasunis: folds
            the_eagle23: raises 400 to 600
            6456488: calls 400
            *** FLOP *** [5s 8d Js]
            the_eagle23: bets 800
            6456488: calls 800
            *** TURN *** [5s 8d Js] [Td]
            the_eagle23: bets 1800
            6456488: raises 1800 to 3600
            the_eagle23: raises 1240 to 4840 and is all-in
            6456488: calls 276 and is all-in
            Uncalled bet (964) returned to the_eagle23
            *** RIVER *** [5s 8d Js Td] [Kh]
            *** SHOW DOWN ***
            the_eagle23: shows [Ts Tc] (three of a kind, Tens)
            6456488: shows [Th Jc] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
            the_eagle23 collected 10677 from pot
            6456488 finished the tournament in 5th place
            *** SUMMARY ***
            Total pot 10677 | Rake 0
            Board [5s 8d Js Td Kh]
            Seat 1: the_eagle23 (small blind) showed [Ts Tc] and won (10677) with three of a kind, Tens
            Seat 2: 6456488 (big blind) showed [Th Jc] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Tens
            Seat 6: quinilof folded before Flop (didn't bet)
            Seat 8: Mariezas folded before Flop (didn't bet)
            Seat 9: batasunis (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

            PokerStars Game #64836510473: Tournament #417078947, $1.32+$0.18 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2011/07/20 20:23:27 NT [2011/07/20 18:53:27 ET]
            Table '417078947 2' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
            Seat 1: the_eagle23 (11616 in chips)
            Seat 6: quinilof (5339 in chips)
            Seat 8: Mariezas (4715 in chips)
            Seat 9: batasunis (5330 in chips)
            the_eagle23: posts the ante 25
            quinilof: posts the ante 25
            Mariezas: posts the ante 25
            batasunis: posts the ante 25
            Mariezas: posts small blind 100
            batasunis: posts big blind 200
            *** HOLE CARDS ***
            Dealt to the_eagle23 [Qd Ks]
            the_eagle23: raises 400 to 600
            quinilof: folds
            Mariezas: folds
            batasunis: calls 400
            *** FLOP *** [4s 7h Kc]
            batasunis: checks
            the_eagle23: bets 899
            batasunis: raises 1501 to 2400
            the_eagle23: raises 8591 to 10991 and is all-in
            batasunis: calls 2305 and is all-in
            Uncalled bet (6286) returned to the_eagle23
            *** TURN *** [4s 7h Kc] [Qh]
            *** RIVER *** [4s 7h Kc Qh] [5c]
            *** SHOW DOWN ***
            batasunis: shows [Ah Kh] (a pair of Kings)
            the_eagle23: shows [Qd Ks] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
            the_eagle23 collected 10810 from pot
            batasunis finished the tournament in 4th place and received $2.37.
            *** SUMMARY ***
            Total pot 10810 | Rake 0
            Board [4s 7h Kc Qh 5c]
            Seat 1: the_eagle23 showed [Qd Ks] and won (10810) with two pair, Kings and Queens
            Seat 6: quinilof (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
            Seat 8: Mariezas (small blind) folded before Flop
            Seat 9: batasunis (big blind) showed [Ah Kh] and lost with a pair of Kings

            PokerStars Game #64836604406: Tournament #417078947, $1.32+$0.18 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2011/07/20 20:25:50 NT [2011/07/20 18:55:50 ET]
            Table '417078947 2' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
            Seat 1: the_eagle23 (17446 in chips)
            Seat 6: quinilof (5514 in chips)
            Seat 8: Mariezas (4040 in chips)
            the_eagle23: posts the ante 25
            quinilof: posts the ante 25
            Mariezas: posts the ante 25
            quinilof: posts small blind 150
            Mariezas: posts big blind 300
            *** HOLE CARDS ***
            Dealt to the_eagle23 [Ah Kh]
            the_eagle23: raises 300 to 600
            quinilof: folds
            Mariezas: raises 3415 to 4015 and is all-in
            the_eagle23: calls 3415
            *** FLOP *** [Kd Jc 5c]
            *** TURN *** [Kd Jc 5c] [Th]
            *** RIVER *** [Kd Jc 5c Th] [5s]
            *** SHOW DOWN ***
            Mariezas: shows [8c As] (a pair of Fives)
            the_eagle23: shows [Ah Kh] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
            the_eagle23 collected 8255 from pot
            *** SUMMARY ***
            Total pot 8255 | Rake 0
            Board [Kd Jc 5c Th 5s]
            Seat 1: the_eagle23 (button) showed [Ah Kh] and won (8255) with two pair, Kings and Fives
            Seat 6: quinilof (small blind) folded before Flop
            Seat 8: Mariezas (big blind) showed [8c As] and lost with a pair of Fives

            PokerStars Game #64836654198: Tournament #417078947, $1.32+$0.18 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2011/07/20 20:27:20 NT [2011/07/20 18:57:20 ET]
            Table '417078947 2' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
            Seat 1: the_eagle23 (20036 in chips)
            Seat 6: quinilof (6964 in chips)
            the_eagle23: posts the ante 25
            quinilof: posts the ante 25
            the_eagle23: posts small blind 150
            quinilof: posts big blind 300
            *** HOLE CARDS ***
            Dealt to the_eagle23 [5d 6h]
            the_eagle23: calls 150
            quinilof: checks
            *** FLOP *** [5s 6c Qd]
            quinilof: bets 6639 and is all-in
            the_eagle23: calls 6639
            *** TURN *** [5s 6c Qd] [6d]
            *** RIVER *** [5s 6c Qd 6d] [Ts]
            *** SHOW DOWN ***
            quinilof: shows [9h 8s] (a pair of Sixes)
            the_eagle23: shows [5d 6h] (a full house, Sixes full of Fives)
            the_eagle23 collected 13928 from pot
            quinilof finished the tournament in 2nd place and received $7.12.
            the_eagle23 wins the tournament and receives $9.52 - congratulations!
            *** SUMMARY ***
            Total pot 13928 | Rake 0
            Board [5s 6c Qd 6d Ts]
            Seat 1: the_eagle23 (button) (small blind) showed [5d 6h] and won (13928) with a full house, Sixes full of Fives
            Seat 6: quinilof (big blind) showed [9h 8s] and lost with a pair of Sixes

            Even though my downswing has gone i still want people to post ways to overcome tilt and tell stories so that when people are experiencing tilts and downswings they have a place to turn to.

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            • #7
              :confusedree hours is your idea of a downswing??
              Bracelet Winner


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              • #8
                Originally posted by joy7108 View Post
                :confusedree hours is your idea of a downswing??
                Eagle, I like how you turned 'whine' into 'brag' lol! Glad to see things are better!! umbup: The frustrating part is when you've got somebody on the ropes, and they suck out some miracle win, like 3,4,5 times ... and then when you're on the ropes and go all in with QQ they suck out a win with 44 and you're out. Like why wasn't I given a reprieve sort of a deal? lol The hard part is knowing what's a leak and what's a downswing. It's not always that easy to tell. Like I want to get better, but sometimes it's not always easy to know what to do differently. On the plus side, I just had a really nice 'heater', so I finally did get my turn ... still a net negative, but it was a nice change of pace Maybe this thread should be in the bad beat section though, because I can totally understand how it's not a thread that some people will want to see - because moods can be infectious and stuff. I guess if it belongs more in another thread the mods'll move it though Good luck at the tables everybody!!

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                • #9
                  Im looking to beat tilt in the month of August.

                  Here is what I will be using:

                  - rubberband
                  Snap any time I have a need to gamble or make a bad play

                  -pushups/pullips etc.
                  Will do these any time I felt like making that gamble

                  -Mental Diary
                  Will start keeping a diary of my mindset before I sit down and after and relate it to my bankroll

                  -Bankroll Management
                  All this year I have barely put any money online due to the unstable situation of online.
                  As of August I will give my self enough funds to play comfortably at a lvl I prefer.

                  Swings are something you get used to and have to live with but can make you highs and lows balance out with more controlled play.

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                  • #10
                    ^^^ Those are good tips Cookie. I saw the tips you gave somebody else in another thread about micro-stakes, and tried going over my hand histories. I decided I may be calling a bit too much post-flop, chasing draws or not wanting to let go when I feel like somebody's bluffing, etc. That kind of stuff adds up I think ... then I don't have nearly as much stack to cushion the blows. umbup:

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                    • #11
                      Well, I'm in the middle of one.

                      To start, I'm fairly new to poker. I always liked it, but none of my friends IRL play so I never really got the chance. I played some play money poker, but I was so new and terrible that I didn't get much enjoyment.

                      But recently, 3 months ago, a friend of mine gave me 5$ to play on Pokerstars. I researched, on this site, and turned that 5$ into 25$: something I'm kind of proud of, even if it's not much.

                      I've played exclusively micro SnGs Fixed Limit, and have about a 70% in-the-money percentage - and every loss was placing third (playing at 6 person tables which I enjoy more than 9 person).

                      Tonight, I decided to try an actual multi table tournament, 10$ buy in, 500$ gauranteed.

                      And I was humiliated. Everything went wrong for me. Every hand I folded turned into a Full House. I lost AK and even AA many times to stupid cards that I have no idea why anyone would play. I got top straights only for them to turn into flushes for my enemies. I was the sixth person eliminated.

                      I play Tight-Aggressive and I feel I play it decently. But I was just destroyed. Bam, bank roll cut in half.

                      After that, I played 2 SnGs. One, I finished early, for the same reasons - I was getting killer hands that were just getting destroyed by people who would play garbage like 3 8 os for some reason and win. Over and over. The other, I came in third.

                      At this point, I took a break. I've learned to manage tilt, I feel like, and I knew I had to relax, think clearly, and just play my best poker. Which I continued to do.

                      ...unsuccessfully. More losses.

                      I'm now down to 8$.

                      I've had losses before and managed, but this is my first Downswing. I don't feel like I'm tilting, but it's really frustrating. and I'm quickly approaching the point where I won't have enough money to play anymore, which is even more frustrating - especially since my country doesn't allow me to put money into the game, so I can't add more.

                      Hopefully it improves!

                      Edit: Gets better? Watch this!

                      http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/rep...ash=228EDEFAEF

                      Spoilers: pocket 10s, 3 9s on the flop, ten on the turn, giving me 10s full of 9s, and what does the enemy have?

                      A NINE. 9 in his hand and flops four of a kind, to beat my full house. This is the kind of night im having.
                      Last edited by Pinworm45; Thu Jul 21, 2011, 11:17 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by joy7108 View Post
                        :confusedree hours is your idea of a downswing??
                        I feel a downswing can be as long as it wants, it could be a week, 2 weeks, months, luckily for me like you said it was only 3 hours. Haha, i'd rather 3 hours than 3 months! hmm..... now about that upswing....... I HOPE THAT LASTS 3 YEARS!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TrustySam View Post
                          Eagle, I like how you turned 'whine' into 'brag' lol! Glad to see things are better!! umbup: The frustrating part is when you've got somebody on the ropes, and they suck out some miracle win, like 3,4,5 times ... and then when you're on the ropes and go all in with QQ they suck out a win with 44 and you're out. Like why wasn't I given a reprieve sort of a deal? lol The hard part is knowing what's a leak and what's a downswing. It's not always that easy to tell. Like I want to get better, but sometimes it's not always easy to know what to do differently. On the plus side, I just had a really nice 'heater', so I finally did get my turn ... still a net negative, but it was a nice change of pace Maybe this thread should be in the bad beat section though, because I can totally understand how it's not a thread that some people will want to see - because moods can be infectious and stuff. I guess if it belongs more in another thread the mods'll move it though Good luck at the tables everybody!!
                          Haha, pretty clever eh? And determining a leak from a downswing? Well i feel if you've been playing consistenly for the past XX number of Days, Weeks, etc and suddenly it just seems like whatever you do you end up losing it has to be a downswing right? Unless of course you changed up your game a bit and it's not working. That's just my opinion though.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Deleted user View Post
                            ......
                            -Bankroll Management
                            All this year I have barely put any money online due to the unstable situation of online.
                            As of August I will give my self enough funds to play comfortably at a lvl I prefer.
                            .......
                            Dude...please tell me this isn't true. You! Depositing??!! Say it isn't so...or are you that addicted to cookies?
                            If you are depositing then I would put bankroll management above all else.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Pinworm45 View Post

                              - especially since my country doesn't allow me to put money into the game, so I can't add more.
                              Hello, Pinworm. Your profile says Canada....since when can Canadians not deposit?
                              Did I miss something?

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