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    what do you guys think about the reverse-float in nl holdem cash games? do u do it with a backdoor flush/straight possiblity, two overs, a medium pocket pair? do u do it when ur in the blinds and the villian is on the button, or perhaps other positions? do u check-call villian's bet, or check-raise? on what steets do u do this? do u do it against mulitple opps. so that ur pot odds are larger? any information u have on reverse-floating, who to do it against, how to do it, etc., would be appreciated

  • #2
    Originally posted by ketchup143 View Post
    what do you guys think about the reverse-float in nl holdem cash games? do u do it with a backdoor flush/straight possiblity, two overs, a medium pocket pair? do u do it when ur in the blinds and the villian is on the button, or perhaps other positions? do u check-call villian's bet, or check-raise? on what steets do u do this? do u do it against mulitple opps. so that ur pot odds are larger? any information u have on reverse-floating, who to do it against, how to do it, etc., would be appreciated
    It's a bit risky. Image a tricky play pyramid, with the length of each level (progressively decreasing upwards) proportional to the probability/frequency of an event. So at the bottom you have button preflop steals and flop c-bets heads up; moving upwards you have more risky plays and also "response" plays like floating or reraising a button raiser. Then you can reverse-float and reraise the reraiser, but because these sorts of plays happen much less than just c-betting, your probability of actually being against a bluff vs being against a really good hand is much lower, because many people would make a certain play with AA but only in specific cases would do with 27o. So it's best to avoid bluff/rebluff type situations.

    Cash games vs tournaments changes a little ... I'm far more likely to play aggressively when I have a small stack and need to double. Also, in a tournament, you may get a feel for opponents, and after a few button steals you might go for a resteal. The great thing about plays like this is you only need 1 resteal from the big blind to compensate for 3.5 steals (assuming a standard raise to 3bbs). So you can test out plays like this but in specific contexts. Similarly, I will sometimes reverse-float for the purpose of showing weakness which a certain type of player will pounce on.. some lag-types will shut down if you raise them but escalate their bets wildly, trying to extract a fold, when you flat call. Also a good idea to use this if you're a shortstack and have a very good hand .. big stacks are touchy about folding to small stacks (pot odds!) and so playing slow is actually a great strategy. They can be tricked into bluffing with literally no pair (I just was, today. Bugger had 33 for a flopped set and turned full house, oops).

    Cash games? I'm less certain, I don't play them much (at all) online. Certainly if you're against a floater you should introduce occasional light check-raises or river refloats to compensate, but remember the 1:3.5 rule. Only make this play rarely .. at low/medium stakes you can make more than enough profit without this much trickiness.

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    • #3
      what the hell is a reverse float? lol really ive only ever heard of the term float? but yeah floating is defianntly best to do with pure air imo...........

      I personally don't like to float with a hand that has very good equity against a players likeley holding, for example u raise in mid position in a 6 max game with QJ offsuit and get 3 bet by an active button.......u flat and take a flop it comes 9-10-5 rainbow...........you check and ur opponent c bets as he should now in these spots i like to check raISe alot hoping to firstly fold out premium non made hands KQ,AK,AQ,KJ ect and small pairs he may have, and also get value from worse draws that may be in his range.....i mean and if he does call u with a 9 or 10 just keep barreling you dont want to lose ur equity by checking and repping nothing, you can easily be rep a 10 there............plus the ntimes he does have top pair there you are still in very good shape and your equity is definantly good enuf to barrel barrel barrel considering overs+str8 outs .......even against his sets..........

      but all in all floating has its pros and cons it all depends on ur style of play and bluff freqeuncys in order to float opponents and barrel succesfully

      GL GL
      Last edited by Oku_Ha_FooLs; Sun Jul 24, 2011, 09:09 PM. Reason: spelling miostake

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      • #4
        I tend to reverse float with complete air,hand really isnt important if you are doing it against the right person and have set the preflop up to match your play.

        I dont really have a preference of where I use it more,might lean towards cash.

        Your hand reading has to be really good or at least against that person.

        Some people fire 2 streets with air and they do it way to often.
        Those are usually who I do it against.

        100%cbet, high aggression and high won without showdown.
        Some you just need to beat them to the shove and thats all thats needed,so I play these people oop for that purpose.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Oku_Ha_FooLs View Post
          what the hell is a reverse float?
          it's a float from out of position

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          • #6
            thanks ketchup yeh i justy clicked onto it now :P

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            • #7
              I cannot float on my front, which means I cannot swim either.

              I can however float on my back. Is that reverse floating or normal floating?

              TC

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              • #8
                Can you give me an example?
                2 Time Bracelet Winner


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by pokerstar671 View Post
                  Can you give me an example?
                  i got A3s on the sb...cufoff, button, sb and bb all limp in. flop comes 65T. i check, bb checks, cutoff checks, button bets .60 into a .20 pot (playing 2c/5c). i call, other two fold. this is a reverse float b/c im continuing with my hand from out of position. if i were on the button and someone else bet on the sb and i called, that would simply be a float.

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                  • #10
                    Oh and then what you call and then bet first on the next card?
                    2 Time Bracelet Winner


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                    • #11
                      or do you have to have something if you bet?
                      I thought floating was when you call a raise and plan to bluff later on
                      2 Time Bracelet Winner


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                      • #12
                        rootbeer float...

                        at my local malt shop, a reverse float has more to do with the expected value of the portion of your ice cream and the exploitable amount of soda that can be used; all depending on the size of the glass and wheather 1 or more straws will be used...best wishes...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by pokerstar671 View Post
                          or do you have to have something if you bet? I thought floating was when you call a raise and plan to bluff later on
                          u r correct. the call from OOP allows u to bluff on a later street just like a traditional float does--it's just that it's much harder to float OOP b/c u have to act first u can check-call and bluff the river, u can check-raise, or u can just bet out. the point of this post was for people to discuss what the situation has to look like when they decide to reverse-float umbup:

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                          • #14
                            just ran across this thread, and remembered Ketchups

                            http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...oating-972834/

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                            • #15
                              delete
                              Last edited by roomik17; Mon Dec 12, 2011, 03:56 PM. Reason: forum acting up again

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