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    I just played my first PSO tourney under the new format. 10000 in the field and I still don't understang the point system. Out of 10000 I came in 2548! With my dismal finish does this put me in the positive or negetive points? And why is there a extended registration after the tourny is full. As the number of players exceeds the 10000 player limit by 500 to 1000. I injoyed the tourny and look forword playing it more often. But can someone help me out with the point system. Thank you .........Best of luck to all......umbup:
    Last edited by mmaracle; Sun Jul 03, 2011, 09:32 PM. Reason: typo

  • #2
    i finished just under 3000 in one with 10,000 and i got -0.44 so you should be in positive points there if only just
    Last edited by VareckRay; Sun Jul 03, 2011, 10:06 PM.

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    • #3
      2500 Is the cut off top 25% get points

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Deleted user View Post
        2500 Is the cut off top 25% get points
        So it has dropped from 40% to 25%. Thank you IseeCookies as this is great to know. Best of luck at the tables.umbup:

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        • #5
          Anyone with a head for maths want to check my thinking on the scoring system. No? ok then

          I did post it in the monster sticky but it probably got swallowed up and overlooked by now. I must admit it's difficult to explain but I hope someone with a head for numbers, and decyphering gibberish, will see where I'm coming from.

          My thinking is that mathematically excluding the non-league players from the field size calculation yet including them in the finishing positions for points allocation skews a true outcome in the scoring formula.

          If 10k enter a tourney of which only 3k are league players the scoring formula is calculated based on a league field size of 3,000. As far as that aspect of the scoring formula is concerned there are only 3,000 players in the tournament and its input into the formula calculates the points allocation accordingly based on this number.

          However the points in reality are distributed based upon the full 10,000 entries, as the field size aspect of the scoring formula believes it to be impossible for anyone to finish lower than
          3,000th, which inevitably some do, this results in an inaccurate allocation of points scored to the league playing entries when they are distributed based on overall finishing position not formula field size finishing position.

          In essence for the scoring system to be accurate the non-league players have to be taken out of the equation in the distribution of points, ie the league player finishing highest in effect comes first.

          I am not saying this is how it should be I am saying that mathematically with the current formula the field size aspect of the formula is only accurate if the points are distributed based on the same number.

          The alternative would be for the field size element of the formula to be the actual number of tournament entries. This however would in turn then throw out the field strength aspect of the formula creating another innaccuracy.

          Anyone have Stephen Hawkings' phone number?

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          • #6
            I'm not sure that is correct Bog..to my understanding, all players will be scored for a tourney, but only those who are members will be on the leader-board.
            You'll still receive the points if you're not a member, but you won't be on the leader-board.
            I am guessing that players who were members in the other leagues, that combined with pso, are members here now too and will not have to pass the core quiz to become members, but I could be mistaken. Wouldn't be the first time if I am.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by !!!111Dan View Post
              I'm not sure that is correct Bog..to my understanding, all players will be scored for a tourney, but only those who are members will be on the leader-board.
              You'll still receive the points if you're not a member, but you won't be on the leader-board.
              I am guessing that players who were members in the other leagues, that combined with pso, are members here now too and will not have to pass the core quiz to become members, but I could be mistaken. Wouldn't be the first time if I am.

              Correct

              The whole field is taken into account and points awarded accordingly
              Non-league players who point don't appear on the leaderboard
              Only those players from the combined leagues appear
              Best to burst the bubble in each tourney ( 1441 of a 10k field) to be in positive points

              Re:Stephen Hawkins its 1-800-GENIUS

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              • #8
                Yes, I like to aim for the top 1440 each time, it's not that hard to do, I sat out one tourney and got to 1500th-ish place. 1440 guarantees you positive points.

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                • #9
                  There are new plateau points. Unfortunately we are having to find them by trial an error. It's looking like over 1900 pts the pos. pts mark drops to about 18%. Not sure how many levels it's broken down to yet. Need more Data. So just like old system, timebanking and folding will only take you so far. So volume may only be good to a certain point. But i'm sure the smart ones have already figured this out. LET'S PLAY SOME POKER BOYS!!!

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                  • #10
                    Oh and still not sure if hitting that 1440 mark will automatically give you pos pts at very high levels. We will have to see.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by bogweed1964 View Post
                      My thinking is that mathematically excluding the non-league players from the field size calculation yet including them in the finishing positions for points allocation skews a true outcome in the scoring formula.
                      Is that what PSO said in the sticky? That they're not including the field strength data for non-league players, even if they have it on record? Yeah, I missed that

                      Well, yeah, that's true that if they were going to factor in field strength in an attempt to normalize scores from tourney to tourney, then by only including the strength indicators for the registered players would necessarily lead to inaccuracy.

                      Just how much of an inaccuracy would be impossible to calculate without the data for the players who aren't signed up for the league though.

                      Also, it might be an inaccurate reflection of field strength to use the figure for only part of the field, it isn't necessarily skewing the data one way or another though unless higher-ranking players are routinely tending to play at one time, and lower-ranking players are routinely tending to play at one time, right, because otherwise the entire field would be subjected to the indentical inaccurate figure of field strength.

                      And even if that's the case where a higher ranking player routinely plays in a lower-ranking field, just how much of a differential could one really expect, translated into points - I don't think I've ever noticed field strength account for more than like half a point? It seems that one's ranking seems to matter much more?

                      And then finally - it would seem that most higher ranking players play a lot because frequency matters the most of all in helping overcome variance, etc. The variance is such a bear! So if people are playing in most every game, there's little chance of the people at the levels where skewing could make the difference in terms of $ to matter I would think?

                      But yeah, probably you're right about the inaccuracy thing.

                      Hey, bogweed - you know what you might find interesting ... notice how the monthly prize pool listed as $44,000?
                      Last edited by TrustySam; Mon Jul 04, 2011, 08:39 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Hi Trusty,

                        I was referring to field size rather than field strength, Staff confirmed that the field size aspect of the formula calculation is based on league players only.

                        The non-league players can't be included in field strength because they have no league standing and as such no position to include within the field strength part of the calculation.

                        You are right though that similar to the problem with the field size the the same exclusion within the field strength aspect of the formula inevitably skews the actual points award.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by bogweed1964 View Post
                          Hi Trusty,

                          I was referring to field size rather than field strength, Staff confirmed that the field size aspect of the formula calculation is based on league players only.

                          The non-league players can't be included in field strength because they have no league standing and as such no position to include within the field strength part of the calculation.

                          You are right though that similar to the problem with the field size the the same exclusion within the field strength aspect of the formula inevitably skews the actual points award.
                          Oh, I misread ... will have to go back and reread your original question then

                          But they should have field strength numbers for everybody - if a person has played in a league game before, they'd have a standing that would have resulted in x number of points had they been registered (thereby giving them a ranking) - the computer should have record of that, even if it doesn't appear on the league leaderboard; for those who haven't played before they'd start at 1500, as we all do.

                          Also, I said that there were inaccuracies, and any skewing was minimal and inconsequential ... de minimus ... so I'm not sure it's completely accurate to take out of my comment that I said there was skewing (that mattered) ... but I didn't say that there wasn't ... just that it was minimal ... jmo though ...
                          Last edited by TrustySam; Mon Jul 04, 2011, 09:42 PM.

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                          • #14
                            well my experience is that sitting out will get u about 11 points!! i've tried it.
                            it's no poker i know but will keep u from dropping like hell

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by !!!111Dan View Post
                              I'm not sure that is correct Bog..to my understanding, all players will be scored for a tourney, but only those who are members will be on the leader-board.
                              You'll still receive the points if you're not a member, but you won't be on the leader-board.
                              I am guessing that players who were members in the other leagues, that combined with pso, are members here now too and will not have to pass the core quiz to become members, but I could be mistaken. Wouldn't be the first time if I am.
                              Dan,

                              I understand that every position including non-league players is allocated points and that is the nub of the problem if the formula calculating those points is based upon the league playing entrants only.

                              Unless all data input into the formula is based upon the same numbers of entrants and their strength then the points results will inevitably be skewed.

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