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  • #31
    Originally posted by topthecat View Post
    Your post made me smile Ray Nice to see you back!

    Remind all of us how you fared in "The Ray Varek Challenge" against the grinders

    TC
    Hi TC, lol finished 10th I believe, from 15. they were all lucky!!!!

    I did say some are good players, we both know who the decent players are, just most aren't and are quite easy to play against.

    More people are doing this tho which is why I could miss half of last month and still finish in the top 70, faded in the last 2 games otherwise i'd have been top 20.

    I did mention this in one of the games last month, I must apologise to the player I said it about as it was deemed to be coaching and I received a warning for a rule 20 violation. I like fair play and I didn't intend to coach people, got a bit carried away lol, apologies again to that player.

    Last edited by fadmin; Thu Jun 09, 2011, 06:49 PM.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by VareckRay View Post
      I love these guys they are so easy to play against

      I don't run the clock, maybe on the bubble if I'm really really short but that's about it.

      There is a real easy way to beat these guys, just play poker, be aggressive with them as they are terrified of getting negative points. Check the tourney history, if they just got a negative score they will be even more worried about going out and youu can take advantage of that,yo u will only get called/raised if they have a monster hand then u can fold your 23 off.
      I'm just the opposite - I'll grind it like it's winter wheat, but I'm just not really comfortable stealing from people in PSO. Because I always got the sense that because it's a league, that it was more collegial (is that a word?) - like more friendly. Like there's the occasional competitive thing that bubbles up - like the other day there were a couple of us on the bubble, and somebody else on the bubble asked the table to count the clock down for them, and then they made it into the money and I didn't. And then today they were to my left and I got 94o and suddenly felt the urge to raise them, which I just never do in PSO.


      Anyways, I remember playing with you before Vareck, and you played quite tight - so maybe people are giving your raises credit because of that if that's standard for you to be playing only 9% of hands? People would have no way of knowing whether you're doing it with 42o or AA?

      So maybe it just feels like people mostly play cards in PSO though, and people have been robbing me blind and I've been naive about that? But I thought maybe the play was a little different because of the large number of 'regulars'? Who knows
      Last edited by TrustySam; Fri Jun 10, 2011, 08:32 AM.

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      • #33
        Asking others at the table to count the clock down for you is cheating, plain and simple. The player should be reported to Stars so they can be educated about the rules (or penalized if a repeat offender who's already been advised of the rules by PS).
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        • #34
          ??

          This league is rife with rule breaking and cheating-- reported 2 more 2day- in many other formats on stars- in sattys- chat is turned off- once a --remaining player thresh hold is reached- same could be done in PSO- to fix this-- say 30 players left from the bubble- yet PSO- admin still believes that all is good in the land-- stead of instituting change--

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          • #35
            I have to agree with monkey skunk on this one only I think chat should be turned off in this case at roughly 50% of the remaining field left, itm is important but once you get over lets say 1800 points just finishing positive points is important as well.

            Or they should just turn off chat all together in the pso league this would solve most all of the problems people are encountering.

            They should also confirm that each account is legit with ID Verification and with home phone verification voice recognition with spacific details of the account in question with personal account information cross referneced by logging in and out of that spacific account 5 times in a row to to trace the ip information for further verification.

            this would root out all the multi accounters.

            stars could easily set up a toll free number to call in to verify each and ever account on poker stars not just the ones within the pso.

            :P

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            • #36
              you forgot retinal scans, and Dna swabs

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              • #37
                ...and cavity searches.

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                • #38
                  please I am being completely realistic, if it were me running this site people could be assured that multi accounting would not be a possiblity, as it ruins the integrity of the game, you would think stars being as apt as they are with respect to security would be more on top of thier game so to say when it comes to this.

                  Soo mock my idea if you will but I know the many that will agree with me far outweigh the few of you that don't.

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                  • #39
                    How many's many?

                    If 30 peeps agreed, would that be enough?

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                    • #40
                      I understand that 'cheating' per se, needs to be curbed. Things like asking people to chip dump to you, or run down the clock, or fold to you, to allow you to get into the money.
                      These things I understand.

                      What I don't understand, is why Multi-accounting is considered to be cheating ?

                      If you have more than one account, what can this accomplish ?

                      1, You can dump chips to yourself if you are on the same table.
                      2, You can bet against yourself to force others out of the hand, if you are on the same table.
                      3, You can fold the winning hand if the only other person in the hand is yourself, thus keeping that account in the game.

                      In my opinion, multi-accounting is almost the same as multi-tabling, yet no-one objects to this.

                      On a site other than this one, who's initials are the same as Final Table, they run tournaments whereby a person can buy into that tournament four times, but each 'buy in' cannot be sat at the same table as himself,in the event that, for instance, all four seats are still playing in the tourney, and the tourney is down to three tables, then one of the accounts is merged with one of the others, so that you are still not seated with yourself.
                      But this has the effect of 'Chip Dumping' as the two accounts are merged and the stacks are added together. This , however is perfectly accepted by all players in the tournament and quite a few take advantage of this format. But, in order for this to be an advantage, that you get extra chips at the last stages of the tourney, you would have to be a skillful enough player to get to the final few tables with ALL of your accounts, and if you were that good to start with, would you deem it sufficiently profitable to pay four times for the same prize?

                      Re-buys are another way of 'Chip Dumping'. If there are unlimited re-buys then this is tantamount to 'Buying' the tourney. Yet this also is considered to be acceptable and not 'cheating'. Some people will say that this is not 'chip dumping', but I disagree, If you have sufficient funds at your disposal then you can buy your way through any possible downswing, and eventually if you go allin on all half decent hands you will win sufficient hands in a row, to take down the tourney. The law of large numbers tells us this, and if you don't believe me ask xxxChris123.

                      Provided that a person cannot be sat at the same table as him/her self, in ANY games, then I cannot see why multi-accounting should be so anathema.
                      The only persons hurt by multi-accounting in this case, would be the multi-accounters.
                      As with multi-tabling, full attention cannot be given to any one individual table, unless sat out at the others. This would have a definite detrimental effect on the muti-accounters play.

                      I personally only have the one account here, and cannot see what benefit can be accrued from having multiple accounts, especially if having more than one account is not allowed by PokerStars, The only thing it can get you in the long run is a perma-ban.

                      I think this is more than two cents worth, more like a Dime. LOL

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                      • #41
                        Play a 9 man sitngo with 2 or 3 accounts... hmmm who has the edge?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Bill Curran View Post
                          If you have more than one account, what can this accomplish ?

                          1, You can dump chips to yourself if you are on the same table.
                          2, You can bet against yourself to force others out of the hand, if you are on the same table.
                          3, You can fold the winning hand if the only other person in the hand is yourself, thus keeping that account in the game.

                          In my opinion, multi-accounting is almost the same as multi-tabling, yet no-one objects to this
                          Wat?

                          Please explain how 1, 2, or 3 can be accomplished multi-tabling.
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                          • #43
                            If two or more accounts from the same person are not allowed to be on the same table, where is the advantage ?
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Bill Curran View Post
                              If two or more accounts from the same person are not allowed to be on the same table, where is the advantage ?

                              Winning players who could change their screen name would have a HUGE advantage.

                              -They could get action from opponents who wouldn't give their "known" sn action
                              -They would have reads on opponents while those opponents would need time to get new reads on them.
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                              • #45
                                You can't, but neither can you multi-table successfully off line, certainly not the amount the likes of nanonoko play.

                                Multi-accounting if limited to one table per account equates almost to Multi-tabling.

                                I'm sure that if FT can limit one account per person per table, successfully, then I am quite sure that it is not beyond the capability of PS to come up with something similar.

                                Multi-account problem solved.

                                If you went to a B&M Casino, I am quite sure they would allow you to open multiple accounts with them, they would probably look at you funny and think you were a bit daft for doing so, but very likely let you do it.

                                You can after all, only sit in one chair at a time, unless you're that fellow from the Xmen.
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