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  • An Idea for an Educational Game

    I came up with an idea for a poker game, so I'm posting a thread about it to see if anyone would be interested. This game idea is purely intended to generate a learning experience for the people who want to play, so that they can get better at the game. If you like the idea, let me know so I can see if this is a feasible idea or not.

    The idea: a bunch of PSO'ers play a game of Hold'em for play money chips in a home game club. After the game is over, all players who sat at the final table send their hand histories to one player so that person can compile them into a hand replayer, which would replay the entire final table session with hole cards up. After that's done, the players would meet on Ventrilo for a screen-sharing session to watch the game and discuss the play. Players would be able to talk about situations that arose where they might question their play or feel that they had to make a difficult decision. Hopefully we would also have someone present who could objectively analyze the game and point out a few spots where players could improve on their play. This would be a friendly session designed to help people discuss their own play with other players in a respectful environment, but also in a situation where they can look at the game in a new way.

    Anyone would be welcome, but there are a few requirements for anyone who would want to play:

    1) Everyone would need to have Ventrilo on their computer and access to the Suited Aces channel. Anyone who doesn't would need to download Ventrilo and be granted access to the Suited Aces channel by one of its administrators (not me; I believe that the Suited Aces admin reserve the right to deny membership, so I can't personally guarantee anyone that they'd be accepted). Everyone would also need the technology to hear the sound come out of their computer and verbally talk back to everyone as well.

    2) Ventrilo + screen-sharing programs tend to make computers run slow. Anyone attending the replay of the game would need to have a relatively fast computer capable of running both programs at once. Anyone who doesn't would likely experience a severe lag between the discussion and the visual replay.

    3) Since effsea has very kindly agreed to set up the game in his home game club, anyone wanting to play would need to be a Drunk Tank member. At the moment, the Drunk Tank is near capacity though, so if enough people who don't have a Drunk Tank membership showed interest, then I could just set up a club of my own for the game.

    4) Everyone would need to be willing to share their hand histories with everyone. This just means that you would need to save them to your hard drive, then send them (likely by email) to the person who would do the compilation of the hand histories (probably me, since I've figured out how to do it).

    4) Everyone would need to agree to be respectful of the other members while playing and while reviewing each others' play.

    That's all I can think of at the moment. I'll edit this post or add something below if I think of more information later. If you're interested, post here so I know. I think that this could be a great opportunity to improve how we play. And learning = fun. So be interesed!!!
    Last edited by PanickyPoker; Tue May 17, 2011, 09:10 AM. Reason: Takes two tries to spell.

  • #2
    i think this is one of the best ideas that's been posted

    good luck

    sometimes i laugh so hard tears run down my leg

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    • #3
      Thanks. We'll see how it goes. I don't think I need many people to get this to work. Six would be just fine. More than that would be great, but if even a small number of people show interest, this could work as either a one-time thing or a regular study session. Come to think of it, this could work in either tournament format or cash game format.

      If there are any NLHE cash players who are interested in a study group structured like this, let me know over PM. I could definitely use some other people to bounce cash game ideas off of, as I'm a cash game player myself. I might actually start a seperate thread just for that some other time.

      Anyway, I'm going to bed soon. I guess I'll see how this thread looks in the morning.

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      • #4
        Are you a member of the Suited Aces flop social forum ? If so, have a look at the post I made on 21st March, it may give you some extra ideas. umbup:
        3 Time Bracelet Winner


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        • #5
          Its a good idea Panicky. I would be interested if I can get organised enough to play.

          TC

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bill Curran View Post
            If so, have a look at the post I made on 21st March, it may give you some extra ideas.
            That's a mean game of hide-and-go-seek, Bill. Maybe it's 'cause I just woke up, but I've done a whole bunch of advanced searches of the forums and blogs, and I can't find your post.

            Breakfast time!

            So, topthecat is on the list, anyhow.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bill Curran View Post
              flop social forum
              Interesting. Looks like I completely miss key words when I haven't had my breakfast yet... Wow.

              Alright, I'll go check out that post in a little bit. I have to go out on a personal errand at the moment.

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              • #8
                He's off to the loo

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bill Curran View Post
                  Are you a member of the Suited Aces flop social forum ? If so, have a look at the post I made on 21st March, it may give you some extra ideas. umbup:
                  Originally posted by PanickyPoker View Post
                  That's a mean game of hide-and-go-seek, Bill. Maybe it's 'cause I just woke up, but I've done a whole bunch of advanced searches of the forums and blogs, and I can't find your post. Breakfast time! So, topthecat is on the list, anyhow.
                  Be careful mentioning "rival forums" I got a warning for doing so, which seems strange seeing that PS seem to post more in other forums than they do here. Good idea Panicky though it relying on the use of Vent may restrict the number of people wishing to utilise it and I think any training tool should be entirely accesible from within the PS system. I had always thought a good training tool would be to regularly have a table of PS Pros, or other suitably selected players, play a table and give audio on their thinking on each hand as they played it, not live of course but via a replayer where it was shown cards up, don't think the audio facility exists but it would be interesting to hear the logic behind their plays and to be able to jump from one player to another to hear their views on a hand as you see it unfold. To hear the thinking behind why an understrength hand was played, a certain bet size was placed, or how a bluff was read, etc, would certainly be a useful instrument and would help a lot of players expand their thinking from inside the box.

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                  • #10
                    Going over the reasons people make the plays that they do is a big part of this idea. I think it would really help people learn to think more if they say aloud why they did what they did, and it would help people understand other players' thoughts if they heard other people's explanations, too.

                    Originally posted by bogweed1964 View Post
                    Good idea Panicky though it relying on the use of Vent may restrict the number of people wishing to utilise it and I think any training tool should be entirely accesible from within the PS system.
                    I really think that this is entirely accessible. There's no reason I can think of why this shouldn't be, for someone with a decent computer and a bit of money to pay for headphones and a mic. Ventrilo is free software and the SA group doesn't do a lot of discriminating when letting people in. If PSO had the capabilities to run something like this, not only would I jump on it right away, but I imagine others would have before me. I think that this is just more of an organizational hassle than anything else, and I hope that nobody thinks that getting Ventrilo would be impossible for them.

                    And no, TC, I'm going to apply for some ID so I can get into a casino at some point. But nice try.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by PanickyPoker View Post
                      And no, TC, I'm going to apply for some ID so I can get into a casino at some point. But nice try.
                      Live games now Panicky; can see you going places young manumbup: I reckon this educational tool idea will be very useful and look forward to it being up and running. TC

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by PanickyPoker View Post
                        Going over the reasons people make the plays that they do is a big part of this idea. I think it would really help people learn to think more if they say aloud why they did what they did, and it would help people understand other players' thoughts if they heard other people's explanations, too.



                        I really think that this is entirely accessible. There's no reason I can think of why this shouldn't be, for someone with a decent computer and a bit of money to pay for headphones and a mic. Ventrilo is free software and the SA group doesn't do a lot of discriminating when letting people in. If PSO had the capabilities to run something like this, not only would I jump on it right away, but I imagine others would have before me. I think that this is just more of an organizational hassle than anything else, and I hope that nobody thinks that getting Ventrilo would be impossible for them.

                        And no, TC, I'm going to apply for some ID so I can get into a casino at some point. But nice try.

                        All I'm saying is that a PS/PSO training tool will need to be solely controlled by PS/PSO. Hosting it at Vent leaves it open to issues outside of the control of PS/PSO., ie Suited Aces shutting down or being barred from Vent, etc etc.

                        The idea is very good, all I am saying is it needs to be absorbed and become part of PS/PSO. Like a lot of ideas many have had here it needs PS/PSO to think outside the box and look at what members actually want and how to, if it seriously wants to, provide training tools that will truly satisfy the demand for more a sophisticated need for poker teaching tools.

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                        • #13
                          Alright. I see your point. For what it's worth, I'm not trying to act on behalf of the PSO administration, I'm just trying to offer a new opportunity for PSO's members. But that's a valid point.

                          ID will arrive within 45 days.

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                          • #14
                            i also think this is an awesome idea PP. i dont come close to knowing anything about the technical logistics of actually doing it w/ mics but it seems it would be ezpeezy if it were done w/ chat and an anylizer or two with mics similar to live training.. to have 9 or 10 peeps w/ mics would get awefully hectic when more that one person had something they wanted to interject, but still, kudos for a great idea, stack em high.....MT
                            May the tinfoil protect you. MT

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                            • #15
                              You'd just need to plug a mic into your computer (should be pretty easy; plug it in and do a sound check on your computer's built-in sound recording program). My mic + headphones take up all of one USB port, and they didn't need any kind of installation. They just worked right away.

                              With more than 6 people, I'd just make sure to have somebody lead the discussion. Maybe have one person announce the action, and if anyone had a question, they could just pipe up. Like a normal discussion with a roomful of people. It'd take a bit of organization, but I think I could manage it.

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