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  • Poker is GAMING not GAMBLING

    Got a reply from one of my senators. She said that the law the FBI is using says you can't transfer money via check or transfer for illegal GAMBLING. But poker is not gambling. Poker is GAMING. I've never gotten into it but it's my understanding that there are millions of people paying for internet games as i write this. Is poker excluded from this list because we don't have to take on a fantasy identity to play?

    Is the FBI going to shut down all these games too? Clearly, the FBI feels that shutting down online poker is more imporatnt that fighting TERRORISM, BANK ROBBERS, KIDNAPPING, MULTIPLE MURDERERS OR ORGANIZED CRIME. Maybe the FBI feels that everyone who plays in an online game is part of organized crime? Hide your children! The FBI has more money and people than it needs!! First it was shutting down childrens daycare for showing videos, now it's online games. Ooooh the FBI is sooooo brave! They have made a laughingstock of themselves and the USA!

    Make sure when you write your Congress that you emphaisze the poker is not Gambling anymore than playing World of Warcraft is gambling! Poker is Gaming!

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    Originally posted by Scintle View Post
    Got a reply from one of my senators. She said that the law the FBI is using says you can't transfer money via check or transfer for illegal GAMBLING. But poker is not gambling. Poker is GAMING. I've never gotten into it but it's my understanding that there are millions of people paying for internet games as i write this. Is poker excluded from this list because we don't have to take on a fantasy identity to play?

    Is the FBI going to shut down all these games too? Clearly, the FBI feels that shutting down online poker is more imporatnt that fighting TERRORISM, BANK ROBBERS, KIDNAPPING, MULTIPLE MURDERERS OR ORGANIZED CRIME. Maybe the FBI feels that everyone who plays in an online game is part of organized crime? Hide your children! The FBI has more money and people than it needs!! First it was shutting down childrens daycare for showing videos, now it's online games. Ooooh the FBI is sooooo brave! They have made a laughingstock of themselves and the USA!

    Make sure when you write your Congress that you emphaisze the poker is not Gambling anymore than playing World of Warcraft is gambling! Poker is Gaming!


    when a person can loose his enitre fortune, house, car, savings and family on world of warcraft, the you might have a case, like it or not poker is gambling, but you should have the right to gamble your life away if you choose as some people smoke their life away with cigs and cigars..try another point of view, that is all i am saying..gl

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    • #3
      Have you seen me play poker. Trust me. What I do is Gambling not gaming. Now, back to WoW. -Cookies

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      • #4
        Originally posted by TARIQ06 View Post
        when a person can loose his enitre fortune, house, car, savings and family on world of warcraft
        They have, not to mention the deaths.

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        • #5
          Poker is a gambling game of skill. Of course it is gambling though. You are calculating the odds of winning/losing then wagering money on those perceived odds.

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          • #6
            a few days after attacking poker Obama announces they are disbanding the strike force against internet porn
            porn is ok
            poker is bad

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            • #7
              Originally posted by XXChris123 View Post
              a few days after attacking poker Obama announces they are disbanding the strike force against internet porn
              porn is ok
              poker is bad
              Don't know if Poker is Bad. (Depends on whether I'm winning or not.
              But Porn is definately not ok, IT'S GREAT.

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              • #8
                TARIQ I have to disagree. Surely it is GAMING. And surely you can loose a lot on it. But it is not simply betting on whether the ball hits the red or the black or which raindrop comes down fastest. It is betting on your own preparation and skill. You can loose a lot an BINGO too. But no matter how well YOU prepare for each game it will not change the outcome that is based on pure chance. There IS an element of chance but it is blended into skill and preparation.

                There are chess tournaments - I think poker is more complicated than chess. In chess the variables are the same at the beginning of each game. In poker they are different each hand! Chess masters have won millions.

                There are ALL KINDS of games that have tournaments where people pay an entry fee and win money. Boggle, Crossword puzzles and on and on.

                Poker is a game that is popular. It is unfair to class it as gambling simply because it is more popular or that you can lose a lot at it.

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                • #9
                  Shark that's the point isn't it? If what you say is true then you are not a skilled poker player.. But you could go to play Bingo and win big time. Does that make you a good player of Bingo? It's purely luck and chance. No skill involved. That's gambling! Not gaming!

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                  • #10
                    Autodafe are you condemning online poker because some people have been consumed by gambling? Is this Puritan attitude logical, reasonable or to the point?

                    Hundreds of people die in automobile accidents every year, still most people drive and are fine. Should we condemn cars because of this? People go to the hospital and contract stubborn infections and die, still people go to the hospital to have their injuries and illnesses attended to. Should we condemn hospitals because of this?

                    This puritan sort of logic has been used as justification for many sorts of repressive rules and laws. You can't dance or wear make up or drink alchohol or go to the movies or go swimming in the nude! The point is, we live in a free society. Or we have been told we live in a free society. That leaves you free to make the bad choices as well as the good. YOUR choices don't dictate MY choices.

                    The fact is that most people who play online poker don't lose their homes or cars or families or lives! Poker is not just gambling. Poker is gaming.

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                    • #11
                      Poker more complicated than Chess.....

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Scintle View Post
                        Autodafe are you condemning online poker because some people have been consumed by gambling? Is this Puritan attitude logical, reasonable or to the point?
                        My response was to what I quoted, which was about World of Warcraft.

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                        • #13
                          The real issue here is...

                          Sadly whether or not poker is "gaming"/"gambling" is not the real issue (your senator seems confused)...

                          The real issue here is indictments for money laundering/ bank fruad.

                          Also, regarding the WoW and online gaming, Blizzard Entertainment (WoW) pays it's taxs to the government, pokerstars does not.

                          Please note; however, i AM just as pissed off about this whole thing as everyone else! your argument was just off point, IMO.

                          Here's hopin...

                          SayPlease

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Alfranco View Post
                            Poker more complicated than Chess.....


                            let's see u beat me with trips, i had a straight or you take my queen with your knight which i don't no how in the hell you made that skillful move..chess will run circles around poker..and yes you can gamble at chess as well..but difference are chess is an honrable man's game per many opinion and poker is a sleazeball game, nodoby has to much empathy for poker players say a chess player..so how much you want to say poker is gaming but the majority of our senatosr or congressmans will say it s gambling and its wrong and you shoudl get on your knees and repent...

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                            • #15
                              gam·ble (gmbl)
                              v. gam·bled, gam·bling, gam·bles
                              v.intr.
                              1.
                              a. To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest.
                              b. To play a game of chance for stakes.
                              2. To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit.
                              3. To engage in reckless or hazardous behavior: You are gambling with your health by continuing to smoke.
                              v.tr.
                              1. To put up as a stake in gambling; wager.
                              2. To expose to hazard; risk: gambled their lives in a dangerous rescue mission.
                              n.
                              1. A bet, wager, or other gambling venture.
                              2. An act or undertaking of uncertain outcome; a risk: I took a gamble that stock prices would rise.


                              gam·blenoun /ˈgambəl/
                              gambles, plural

                              1.An act of gambling; an enterprise undertaken or attempted with a risk of loss and a chance of profit or success


                              verb /ˈgambəl/
                              gambled, past participle; gambled, past tense; gambles, 3rd person singular present; gambling, present participle

                              1.Play games of chance for money; bet
                              - she was fond of gambling on cards and horses


                              2.Bet (a sum of money) in such a way
                              - he was gambling every penny he had on the spin of a wheel


                              3.Take risky action in the hope of a desired result
                              - the British could only gamble that something would turn up




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                              Web definitions
                              take a risk in the hope of a favorable outcome; "When you buy these stocks you are gambling"


                              money that is risked for possible monetary gain


                              play games for money


                              a risky act or venture
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