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  • PSO System is flawed!!

    IF you:

    a) Don't understand it.
    b) Don't use it
    c) Need an excuse as to why you can't make it into the money at the end of the month

    I hear people all the time talking about how PSO enciurages bad play, wrong play, and how PSO play can never be used to make the money in a "REAL" tournament.

    Well, so far this month, in "real" tournaments I have made a $55 bankroll using the same play I do in PSO and another example of this just happened:

    I was playing in a PCA Mega Path 10+Rebuy FPP tournament. There were 91 players and I used the same strategy I use in PSO to play. I never made a rebuy, of course I did use the add-on, and I faced the same donks and shove monkeys that we all see in PSO. As a matter of fact one guy had $17k in chips as the re-buy period ended and he went all-in on the last hand and lost, so had to make 2 rre-buys and the add-on.

    The largest stack I ever had was $12k in the whole tournment and as we got down to the ITM (15 entries plus 16th place 50FPP and 17th place 30FPP) I had $6k in chips and was sitting in 16th place. The blinds hit me and I was down to $1200 in chips with 18 people left. All of a sudden, while watching the other table 2 guys went all-in, both over $20k in chips. One guy had a J6 and the other a 52. Then my table had 2 all-ins, an A8 vs 45, again both guys well over
    $20k in chips. I folded an AK and watched as the tournament ended and me gaining an entry into the 200 FPP Round 2 tournament.

    So, if you think this system is flawed, try using it and you might find out it's not as flawed as you think.

  • #2
    I agree with you and have the same results as you have had.
    The skills that one has to learn to be successsful in PSO translate directly to success in real world play.

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    • #3
      if i hear anyone say they dont learn anything from pso in the 'real world' need shooting!!!

      from the pso league my game has improved hugely

      believe me when i 1st started playing pstars with no BR and for fun i would be donking everyday
      but when you come to pso and learn to play the game there is huge potential to earm a BR from zreo BR

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      • #4
        Short term?Yes it works and is great for new players.
        Long term we need to work on it and encorporate a mentoring program.
        Get the old schoolers back participating and bringing substance to the forum.
        Make the forum more info based than facebook based.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dirtyrubberz View Post
          Short term?Yes it works and is great for new players. Long term we need to work on it and encorporate a mentoring program. Get the old schoolers back participating and bringing substance to the forum. Make the forum more info based than facebook based.
          couldn't agree more if the was more substance in the forum maybe i would stop making flames everywhere evil:
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          • #6
            Yes Sir!

            Originally posted by Dirtyrubberz View Post
            Short term?Yes it works and is great for new players.
            Long term we need to work on it and encorporate a mentoring program.
            Get the old schoolers back participating and bringing substance to the forum.
            Make the forum more info based than facebook based.

            Yes sir that is a fact. Maybe bring back the mentor program. Takes a comunity to raise a new player. Many want to learn. Just need more outlets.

            Have to say hats off to PSO though they have added a lot to the site. We can all ways do more though.
            Last edited by BUDA505; Fri Feb 18, 2011, 09:03 AM.

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            • #7
              it's helped my online play and live play.
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              • #8
                i think the pso rewards solid play. thats all u have to be doing in the pso and u will make money in it. play solidly and u will be rewarded.

                tonight i was in a tournament and a pre flop shover was at my table, and he got a big stack by shoving, and he kept doing it. after the first hour i was the only one left of the original 8 that sat down with this guy, and i was up to 4k in chips, i think it happened bc i played more solid then the others.
                actually there might of been 1 or 2 sit outs

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                • #9
                  Well I'll tell you why I think it's flawed.

                  The start of the month everybody is equal and actually trying to play Poker.
                  As the month progresses the leaders tighten up their game and for the most part only play premium hands against aggrotards.

                  I was playing tonight with a guy that was ranked somewhere around 300th, we had some "friendly" banter on the tables but then he started calling us morons and telling us to shuttup because we were ranked lower. The guy has played 40 tournaments this month.
                  I don't consider him a more skillful player, just a player ,with alot more time on his hands than most.

                  So the leaders will be the ones that play few hands, use the clock and play 70-80 tournaments this month.

                  I don't see the skill!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by CreekRVRat View Post

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                    The start of the month everybody is equal and actually trying to play Poker.
                    As the month progresses the leaders tighten up their game and for the most part only play premium hands against aggrotards.

                    Snip
                    Creek, I would suggest that any text book ever written on poker would advocate this and I think you'll find it applys from day 1 of the month to the end and not just to PSO, its standard across the board. Anyone going head on at an "aggrotard" with anything but a premium hand is asking for one thing, the rail.

                    Without writing at length the fundamentals that are necessary to be succesful in the PSO League and should therefore be being learned are.

                    Hand selection - knowing what hands can be played from where taking into consideration position and previous betting
                    Playing position - knowing when to be able to play a sub-standard hand and seeing opportunity to exploit weak players behind you
                    Reading players - knowing who is likely to fold to a raise and who is likely to push back at you, not getting involved too much in the early part of the tournament until you have a good read on the players at the table
                    Survival - knowing when to fold

                    All these attributes, and yes you can throw in timer management too, can be applied equally to any other MTT or SnG you are likely to play and they all require one thing, patience.

                    Sure the negative points aspect of the PSO League may make players tighter and more passive in the early stages, it may reduce their range of starting hands but it is all part of Survival strategy.

                    Winning 10BB on the 100th hand is far more important than winning 10BB on the 1st but to do that you've still got to be in the tournament to do so.

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                    • #11
                      @ creek sir may i ask you to try reach the top of the leader board and stay there because my lord it is so so hard i am rank 13th today i was rank 31st yesterday had a great 1st pso came 20th moved upto 15th 2nd pso i was to cocky tried to steal the blinds with bb sat out and commiting my 4 bb with k8 suited SB turns over AK minus 11 dropped to 22nd 3rd pso i made itm back upto 13th

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                      • #12
                        only thing

                        Originally posted by antlovesang1 View Post
                        @ creek sir may i ask you to try reach the top of the leader board and stay there because my lord it is so so hard i am rank 13th today i was rank 31st yesterday had a great 1st pso came 20th moved upto 15th 2nd pso i was to cocky tried to steal the blinds with bb sat out and commiting my 4 bb with k8 suited SB turns over AK minus 11 dropped to 22nd 3rd pso i made itm back upto 13th
                        the only comparable thing to getting and staying up at the top ( something I have yet to do) is walking blindfolded through a minefield , repeatedly. Though in all truth, does it not mean way more since it is so darn tough to do? Heck, it felt like christmas today when I saw I made it to 112 (or there abouts) Good luck everyone and have a good one!! Lasthippie

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                        • #13
                          just so many times i hear people complain of the amounts of games people have played.

                          if you put your mind to it and the cards help you out you could start the pso get 10 str8 ITMS and be in the top 10

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by lasthippie12 View Post
                            the only comparable thing to getting and staying up at the top ( something I have yet to do) is walking blindfolded through a minefield , repeatedly. Though in all truth, does it not mean way more since it is so darn tough to do? Heck, it felt like christmas today when I saw I made it to 112 (or there abouts) Good luck everyone and have a good one!! Lasthippie
                            A better analogy would be to remove the blindfold have the mines on timers, do it in the dark with a dodgy torch and an iffy mine detector !!! Oh and don't forget somebody throwing rocks at random intervals around you

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                            • #15
                              I think you missed the point I was trying to make.
                              My argument is that the format is all wrong. Antlovesang1 you make a good point, it is hard to stay up there with the leaders and you have had to play well over 40 tournaments this month in order to hang with them.
                              Yes, it's possible to get high up in the rankings by playing a few tournaments and playing them well, but that makes you as skillfull as somebody who has played 40+ tournaments with an average finish of 400+
                              I would suggest a format where there is a cap on the number of tournaments you can play. If we could only play 20 per month then it would encourage better action on the tables and less sitting on the clock.
                              Last edited by CreekRVRat; Fri Feb 18, 2011, 06:20 PM.

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