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    Please someone give me the right answer: - You are holding and the board reads How many outs do you have to make a straight? 0,4,8 Please help me with this question. Thanks

  • #2
    you have 4 sixes and 4 nines to make the straight total of 8.... but I would never hope to make that 1 lol

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    • #3
      Originally posted by roomik17 View Post
      you have 4 sixes and 4 nines to make the straight total of 8.... but I would never hope to make that 1 lol
      quoting for laughs

      you have 0 outs.

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      • #4
        Thanks for your answers. But which one is correct, I think there is possibility to draw a straight if you get 4,6 or 6,9. But I doubt in terms of calculation of total outs for a straight. can you please explain why you think 0?
        Thanks

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        • #5
          Answer is in the basic course, go read it 20 times as you clearly don't understand it.

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          • #6
            An out refers to catching one card to complete a hand. Since you need both a 6 and 9 to make a straight, you have 0 outs.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by !!!111Dan View Post
              An out refers to catching one card to complete a hand. Since you need both a 6 and 9 to make a straight, you have 0 outs.
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              Typical back door str8 (open ended) and flush draws are the equivalent of a little over one out. For this double str8 draw being not yet open-ended it is a little less than one out.

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              • #8
                Thank you very much for your answers. Now I can understand why0 is the correct answer. Thank you all. umbup:

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TrumpinJoe View Post
                  Typical back door str8 (open ended) and flush draws are the equivalent of a little over one out. For this double str8 draw being not yet open-ended it is a little less than one out.
                  Wrong, backdoor is worth a little LESS than 1 out (for straight its about 0.9 and flush is 1.1 afaik), this "draw" is even less than that, half out at best.
                  Last edited by Puciek; Thu Feb 03, 2011, 12:43 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Puciek View Post
                    Wrong, backdoor is worth a little LESS than 1 out (for straight its about 0.9 and flush is 1.1 afaik), this "draw" is even less than that, half out at best.
                    I decided to delve into the math of this a little deeper.

                    A standard draw to one your for the turn and river hits 4.30% of the time.

                    A backdoor flush draw (3 cards to the flush) hits 4.16% of the time.

                    A back door strait draw is a bit more complicated however. In the most simple case, a 3 card strait (like T98) you have 8 outs (J or 7) that give you an open ended draw on the river and 8 outs(Q or 6) that give a gut shot on the river. This combo hits 4.44% of the time. This is functionally equivalent to the case presented by OP where a 6 or 9 on the turn gives an OESD and a 4 or Q gives the gutter ball.

                    So the flush and the strait backdoor draws are essentially the same as 1 out.

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                    • #11
                      as i am sure the op apreciates all this feedback of an in depth look into the odds and outs of this hand i feel that the op should be reminded that unless you are BB and limped to and checked post flop you should never be in this position because it is a losing hand so unless your getting a free ride i would never bet/call this hand but there again if you get this free ride to the turn and you don't hit and again all players have checked to you then i would place a modest bet because most likely no one has hit and appear to be passive so why not try to steal the pot at that point evil: ps why am i giving advice??
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Halluck View Post
                        Please someone give me the right answer: - You are holding and the board reads How many outs do you have to make a straight? 0,4,8 Please help me with this question. Thanks
                        is this even on the quiz??? evil:
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                        • #13
                          it's above 0 since you have runner runner straight chances. But not sure why you would want to know this since your hand isn't very strong regardless. =)

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                          • #14
                            The Answer is none of the above but 12 outs.

                            You can make Two different straights.

                            10(9) 87(6) your outs are 4x 9s & 4x 6s

                            You can also make a straight
                            87(6)5(4) 4x 6s & 4x 4s

                            So you have total of 12 Outs
                            4x 9s + 4x 6s + 4x 4s = 12 outs

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                            • #15
                              But is still a deceptive question because you have to get One of the 12 outs next. The Outs for the last card would then depend on which one you got. You would have either 4 outs to catch the 6; for the 9 or 4;
                              or 8 outs if you got the 6 to catch either the 9 or 4.
                              Last edited by HandPat; Thu Mar 10, 2011, 12:26 AM.

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