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  • good question

    here's a good question from another post

    jcastle wrote:


    8. Will bankrolls be reset in the new year?
    we all know that the ratings will, but will the bankrolls?

    My opinion (for what it is worth, probably -$0.02), the shouldn't restart, if you are out in the real world, you might restart your stats every year, but you are still playing with the same money. Wouldn't this be similer.

    can i have an answer and other peoples opinions?
    thanks

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    Re: good question

    Originally posted by aha12877
    8. Will bankrolls be reset in the new year?
    we all know that the ratings will, but will the bankrolls?
    I heard that ratings will be reset, but missed the discussion. A forum search doesn't find it.

    Why are ratings being reset?
    Why not just give more weight to newer results, the way they do in golf?

    Cheers

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    • #3
      if the rankings are reset, it would only be fair to reset the bankrolls, too. it wouldn't make any sense to keep them since they are a lot more skewed than the rankings stats and don't have any meaning while the rankings do. all add-on events should be eliminated (along with all multi-table freerolls) with an extra deduciton for "entry fees" to give a more accurate assessment of bankroll.

      i don't believe the rankings should be reset though. pso should just replace the current cumulative rankings with minpin's multi-table stats from his pso details report which provides true cumulative stats for multi-table, single-table and combined events. it's that simple. just keep the cumulative while making one specifically for the new year.

      so, pso staff (mark, tina, megan, kevin, et al), what's going to happen with the bankrolls and rankings on jan 1st? please elaborate on your reasoning, too. thanks.

      JCastle

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      • #4
        rankings are being reset (according to MARK) on jan the 1st due to the amount of room they take up
        no mention was ever made about BR and i for one would be very unhappy if BR was reset before i get to use it in a big tourny like i was promised 12 months ago when i thought i would never have a BR.

        the post mark made the annoucement was about the changes to the school post the big one

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ironside
          rankings are being reset (according to MARK) on jan the 1st due to the amount of room they take up
          Thanks Iron, but "Oh dear!". If there's no room for a few thousand bytes per player to track rankings, then the legendary "PSO poker database", which would be hugely bigger, must be getting zapped as we go along. I thought disk storage cost pennies these days. This is all a bit hard to fathom.

          p.s. g00t luck in that tournament Iron ! You might find it a bit 'aggressive' but I'm sure you can cope with that :wink:

          cheers

          Glenn

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ironside
            rankings are being reset (according to MARK) on jan the 1st due to the amount of room they take up
            Well, that's just absurd. How long until the disks get full again and our results are wiped clean again? This makes me very glad I keep track of my stats independent from PSO.

            If we're unable to track our complete progress as we go along, instead of for some arbitrary period of time, what is the point to having a ranking system in the first place?

            Chris

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            • #7
              special note to Ironside

              Iron, we have been in this thing a long time now and played a lot of tournaments together. I'll probably never forget that one big pot where we both had big hands. Anyway, I knew that you would have a nice bankroll. I was sort of pulling for you even when you told me you would pass me on the bankroll list.

              But, I too hope we don't get zeroed out of our bankrolls.

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              • #8
                rosita - I Agree

                I agree with your suggestion, rosita, that Ratings be calculated based only on recent efforts - much like a golf or bowling handicap.

                In fact, I've posted that suggestion several times in the past. Each time it attracted a few responses disagreeing with the concept. Although, frankly, I don't pay much attentin to the Cums any more.

                I still think, however, that the idea of a Cumulative value extending back till the beginning of time is, at a minimum, silly. Even a felon gets to start fresh, in theory, when they've served their time.

                Once someone has accumulated a few hundred games, it takes an incredible run of success to budge the rating even a small bit.

                I still think the only the last "n" games & tourneys should count. What is the correct "n" to use? I'm open. Last 50, last 75, last 60 days - whatever.
                - or like golf, the best 50 of the last 75 games & tourneys - or some such.

                In any case, I'm TOTALLY OPPOSED any "zeroing" of the bankrolls. I can't even believe that's being considered. Everyone's worked too hard to accumulate or not accumulate them, whichever.

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                • #9
                  Dropping the cumulative ranking is no great disservice, Replacing it with the same thing with a new start date will be a major dissapointment.

                  The weekly stats are, IMO, entirely useless and possibly misleading. One week, 3 game minimum, means you hit a hot streak unless you are consistently near the top of the list, in which case you will be on the longer term rankings as well.

                  What is desparately needed is a long-term rolling average. I use 200 games (combined sats and multi) for my personal tracking. However, I would not argue against having 13 week, 26 week, and 52 week rolling stats available. Having net winnings for the same periods would be a huge bonus.

                  As several of us have stated numerous time before, having this data for individual games is even better.

                  I hope that bankrolls are not going to be reset. It is the growth of my bankroll that gives me the greatest sense of accomplishment. I don't know if I will stay if that is taken away.

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                  • #10
                    i think the rating should be reset, it lets the players that improved start over and it also levels the playing field from pre sats rating and post sats rating.

                    bankroll should remain unchanged

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by aha12877
                      i think the rating should be reset, it lets the players that improved start over and it also levels the playing field from pre sats rating and post sats rating.
                      Couldn't this be achieved without removing fifteen months' worth of data from the database? Why not just add a "yearly ranking" statistic?

                      Originally posted by aha12877
                      bankroll should remain unchanged
                      If we're levelling the playing field with respect to ratings, wouldn't it make sense to level it with respect to bankrolls as well?

                      For the record, I think both should stay as they are.

                      Chris

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                      • #12
                        ok. you worked so hard to get the bankroll you have, but what does that mean? what's your bankroll going to be used for? it's play money!

                        initially, it was implied that there was going to be a 10k event where the winner would get something like a huge sponsorship (that would have been good use for the WPO 10k seat), but those previous hints by mark have never been followed through. he emphasized the need to build a bankroll, but for what reason now? what purpose does this unrealistic bankroll serve?

                        if there isn't any use for them, reset them. let us start from square one and try to build a bankroll from scratch with all of the add-ons and freeroll events removed. that will be the best lesson, but i guess most of the students aren't here to actually learn how to play well enough to build a more realistic bankroll. now that's a shame.

                        JCastle

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JCastle
                          ok. you worked so hard to get the bankroll you have, but what does that mean? what's your bankroll going to be used for? it's play money!
                          What do I have?

                          A virtual bankroll that only has value for use as PSO buy-ins.

                          A measure that my game is changing, theoretically for the better.

                          A sense of accomplishment that I have managed to be +EV in both multis and sats.



                          I think that is better than measuring success by the number of 'goot players' I have knocked out when my 7-2o hit.

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                          • #14
                            I agree with keeping the bankroll....how else can I afford my habit ??8O :x

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