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  • low stakes STT multitabling profit

    so my question is does anyone here who is multitabling low stakes STTs make a decent profit out of it? i've been playing for a while at 3.5 and 7$ levels and the amount of bad beats and ridiculous suckouts is huge. i'm used to the occasional downswing but mathematically in the long run there shouldnt be so many AK vs A7 losing, AA vs QQ losing and so on. so i'm wondering is anyone making a decent profit on these games?

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      I don't think anybody is going to answer that question, it sounds like a bad beat story.

      Mathematically A7 is going to beat AK 30% of the time and QQ is going to beat AA 20% of the time, so without seeing your stats I can't say if you are running bad or if they are just hitting the average.
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        well if you consider losing with AA pre flop all in-s 27% of the time a bad beat story then yea, when by the probability theory it should be only 10%, and those stats are over the course of 5k+ games. i dont think that percentage will correct itself out when i get to 10k.

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        • #5
          STT SNG's have a pretty large variance, with a lot of regs. Downswings of 20-30 BI or more are not uncommon. You have to take this in mind when multitabling them.

          Btw are you playing 6-max or 9-max? And what format: regular / turbo / hypers ?
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          • #6
            9-max turbos, i'm avarageing 0.20$ per game so far, that is okay i guess, but the huge downswings just dont make much sense. and i've noticed that at the 7$ buy-in level everyone seems to play the same style so it's kind of hard to take advantage of those players because it's the most optimal strategy.

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            • #7
              well if you consider losing with AA pre flop all in-s 27% of the time a bad beat story then yea, when by the probability theory it should be only 10%, and those stats are over the course of 5k+ games. i dont think that percentage will correct itself out when i get to 10k.
              Yes, its a bad beat story. You have lost more than expected when getting the chips in ahead. It's a succession of bad beats. Don't know where you get the 10% figure from though. AA will lose about 15% of the time even against any 2 random cards, rising to 20% against a really tight range (QQ+, AKs). And that's just heads-up - obviously it loses a lot more multiway.

              Yes, you have still obviously lost more than your share. But if you are still beating the games despite this you are doing well. If I could offer one piece of advice it would be to try (and I know from personal experience it's not easy) not to let good and bad luck distract you from playing your best game. Every moment spent in-game thinking about how lucky/unlucky you are/were/will be is a moment not spent thinking about things that will actually help you make good decisions, like opponents ranges and betting patterns and odds and outs.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tann133 View Post
                well if you consider losing with AA pre flop all in-s 27% of the time a bad beat story then yea, when by the probability theory it should be only 10%, and those stats are over the course of 5k+ games. i dont think that percentage will correct itself out when i get to 10k.
                Biggest eye-opener for me was when I first got tracking software and after enough games you can clearly see that the % win for all-in pre's are what they should be. You can easily get to a point where 95% of the numbers are true way before 5k games

                No idea what that 27% & 10% is all about, its normally between 15-20%, and I still make you around 1.8k games short of 5k under your current screen-name.

                Re. other posts the 7s are beatable, it helps to game select and avoid good regs plus run key spots through an ICM calculator. Just because everyone appears to be playing optimally they aren't and many are making big mistakes.

                And downswings are natural and variance is a lot bigger than people think. You can easily have 100s of games losing and 1000s breaking even as a result of natural variance.

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                • #9
                  The 7$ is a reg fest. The higher you go, the more you see people playing / grinding for a decent living. This doesn't mean that they don't make mistakes. Alot of bad regs make mistakes or play breakeven. Most of them are just rakeback pro's. Dont try to be that and just concentrate on your own game.

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                  • #10
                    so i looked at my last 200 games and turns out that when i'm all in pre flop and dominating my opponent(AK V AJ and o on) then my win lose rate is 50/50, made me laugh very hard.

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                    • #11
                      i hear you, i'm a regular at 6max and dealing with regulars is hard. I had a downswing myself. I think profitably, 4 tables is the best way as you only need to win 1/4 to break even and if in case you made money on your other table, that's where the profit will come from

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                      • #12
                        The low/medium stakes Single Table games, either full ring or 6-max / turbo to hyper are the grinder's & regs haven. The higher you go the tougher the game. In the "battle of the planets", which has now been removed, they look to earn money from the leader boards.

                        It's a cop out to say "variance" or maybe ICM / bubble strategy. With 2 or 3 pay spots, getting a decision wrong hurts more if you "feel" all those buy-ins are burning a hole in the bankroll.

                        I've started again and back to SNG. Dropping to 25c/45 player games is 80% roi and $1/45 is 64% roi. Sample size can't extrapolate to high multiple table volume if there is a mistake in our game we haven't noticed.

                        STTs are solvable in the sense a bot could win them - though using that software would not be allowed at high stakes.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ForrestFive View Post
                          STTs are solvable in the sense a bot could win them - though using that software would not be allowed at high stakes.

                          Using a bot is not allowed at any stakes.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by tann133 View Post
                            well if you consider losing with AA pre flop all in-s 27% of the time a bad beat story then yea, when by the probability theory it should be only 10%
                            Your arguments become spurious when you pull numbers out of the air... AA allin pre is about 85/15 against any reasonable all in preflop range extending all the way out 100% (any 2 cards). Against the tightest of stack off ranges, QQ+/AK for example, AA is 84/16. The only way to get it to 10% and below is to use fake ranges (like for example, AA vs. AK only is 92/8, but that's not a real range as no one would stack off only AK and not big pairs like KK).

                            I don't doubt that you're running bad (and we've all been there), but if you're citing a clearly incorrect number like 10% above, it leads one to wonder what other numbers you've gotten wrong.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Drarr View Post
                              Biggest eye-opener for me was when I first got tracking software and after enough games you can clearly see that the % win for all-in pre's are what they should be. You can easily get to a point where 95% of the numbers are true way before 5k games

                              No idea what that 27% & 10% is all about, its normally between 15-20%, and I still make you around 1.8k games short of 5k under your current screen-name.

                              Re. other posts the 7s are beatable, it helps to game select and avoid good regs plus run key spots through an ICM calculator. Just because everyone appears to be playing optimally they aren't and many are making big mistakes.

                              And downswings are natural and variance is a lot bigger than people think. You can easily have 100s of games losing and 1000s breaking even as a result of natural variance.

                              ^^Very good advice!
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