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  • $0.25 NL Hold'em, $100 Added

    Hi,

    This is a hand from $0.25 NL Hold'em, $100 Added - Level I (10/20)
    I put the opp at AK/AQ and shoved, is not considering him holding JJ there a leak?

    http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...950_E487791980

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    Hi IBNash! I know this tourney well, played it basically every night before black Friday. With AA in the hijack and a limper in front of me, I'm going to make a standard raise to 3BB+1BB for each limper or 80 chips. I see a 4-way flop of J77 and the first opp leads into me with a pot-sized bet. Early in this, Jx and 7x are the overwhelming majority of their range here, along with having 2 overs or T9 or 98 for a gutshot. Against this range, while I'm ahead of it, I'm not an overwhelming favorite (2-1). Due to it being early, I'm going to flat the 321 and re-evaluate on the turn. I don't want to shove the flop here, as I'm basically only going to get called by 7x, Jx or an overpair. Against that range, I'm barely more than a coin-flip ahead at 57%. Due to the paired board, I need to play pot control here and muck to a shove with AA, as it will most likely be from trips or better. With regard to AK or AQ, while it's a small part of their range, it's not the largest part of their range, as that larger part is Jx, 7x. Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.umbup: John (JWK24)
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    • #3
      Originally posted by IBNash View Post
      I put the opp at AK/AQ and shoved, is not considering him holding JJ there a leak?
      I'm pretty surprised to see villain show up with JJ here. (I would typically expect him to check-call or check-raise when he so comprehensively smashed the flop). That said, I would be completely SHOCKED if villain had AK/AQ here. Those hands would make absolutely no sense for three main reasons:

      1. You have two aces in your hand, so there are fewer combos of AK and AQ that are possible.
      2. Villain just flatted OOP pre-flop, when 3-betting AK/AQ would be more standard.
      3. AK and AQ completely missed the flop. It would be utterly senseless to donk pot with ace high into 3 players, since it would be a huge bluff that is getting snap-called by 7x, Jx and QQ+.

      I know villains do some crazy things at nanostakes, but you've got to improve your hand ranging. If a villain makes a big bet, it's usually because he has a big hand and he wants to get paid. On a J77 flop, the only big hands are those that contain a 7 or a jack, as John pointed out. Start ranging players pre-flop and then narrow their ranges based on the action. If they call pre-flop, then pocket pairs and Broadways are their most likely holdings. If they bet a Jxx flop, they usually have a JACK, obviously. If you can beat a jack, then call. Don't raise unless you're pretty sure villain will call with worse.

      As played, I'm caling the flop, and probably sigh-calling off the rest on the turn, expecting villain to have trips quite often, but also seeing a fair amount of KJ/QJ hands, which you beat.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by JWK24 View Post
        Hi IBNash! I know this tourney well, played it basically every night before black Friday. With AA in the hijack and a limper in front of me, I'm going to make a standard raise to 3BB+1BB for each limper or 80 chips. I see a 4-way flop of J77 and the first opp leads into me with a pot-sized bet. Early in this, Jx and 7x are the overwhelming majority of their range here, along with having 2 overs or T9 or 98 for a gutshot. Against this range, while I'm ahead of it, I'm not an overwhelming favorite (2-1). Due to it being early, I'm going to flat the 321 and re-evaluate on the turn. I don't want to shove the flop here, as I'm basically only going to get called by 7x, Jx or an overpair. Against that range, I'm barely more than a coin-flip ahead at 57%. Due to the paired board, I need to play pot control here and muck to a shove with AA, as it will most likely be from trips or better. With regard to AK or AQ, while it's a small part of their range, it's not the largest part of their range, as that larger part is Jx, 7x. Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.umbup: John (JWK24)
        Thanks John, just flat then fold to his shove. I feel like I want to re raise there for information (damn AA) & fold to a shove even before the Turn but that's not a reason to bet.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ArtySmokesPS View Post
          I'm pretty surprised to see villain show up with JJ here. (I would typically expect him to check-call or check-raise when he so comprehensively smashed the flop). That said, I would be completely SHOCKED if villain had AK/AQ here. Those hands would make absolutely no sense for three main reasons:

          1. You have two aces in your hand, so there are fewer combos of AK and AQ that are possible.
          2. Villain just flatted OOP pre-flop, when 3-betting AK/AQ would be more standard.
          3. AK and AQ completely missed the flop. It would be utterly senseless to donk pot with ace high into 3 players, since it would be a huge bluff that is getting snap-called by 7x, Jx and QQ+.

          I know villains do some crazy things at nanostakes, but you've got to improve your hand ranging. If a villain makes a big bet, it's usually because he has a big hand and he wants to get paid. On a J77 flop, the only big hands are those that contain a 7 or a jack, as John pointed out. Start ranging players pre-flop and then narrow their ranges based on the action. If they call pre-flop, then pocket pairs and Broadways are their most likely holdings. If they bet a Jxx flop, they usually have a JACK, obviously. If you can beat a jack, then call. Don't raise unless you're pretty sure villain will call with worse.

          As played, I'm caling the flop, and probably sigh-calling off the rest on the turn, expecting villain to have trips quite often, but also seeing a fair amount of KJ/QJ hands, which you beat.
          Early in this tourney, I have seen lots of players over bet/shove AK on a scary flop like that in hope I suppose. This time I did take a min off to range him preflop but people call 3x raises with any 2 cards esp. this early and (damn AA) I did not put him past KJ. Or more honestly, did not want to believe he had JJ against my AA on that flop.

          I can't fold pocket Aces basically, in a SNG on FT I knew the guy was raising the River cause his AQ had made the straight but I paid him off too. This is hard.

          Thank you for the feedback.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by IBNash View Post
            I feel like I want to re raise there for information
            Raising for information is a leak. You should raise for value (when you believe worse hands will call) or as a bluff (when you believe better hands will fold). If you're either way ahead or way behind, the best play is to just call.
            For a fuller explaniation of why raising for info is a leak, see Dave's blog.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by ArtySmokesPS View Post
              Raising for information is a leak.
              I 100% agree.

              John (JWK24)
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