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  • weird turn spot with 88 on freeroll

    Villain was playing tight so far. My reasoning for the small flop bet was to induce a call with trash. I am not so sure about my turn bet/fold though.

  • #2
    Seems ok. I think bet/folding turn for value/protection is pretty standard because of the 2 flush draws out there.

    Your sizing also seems fine.

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    • #3
      Hi GamblingProp! With 88, I'm going to make a standard opening raise to 2.5BB+1BB for each limper at this blind level, so I will raise to 500. I see a HU flop OOP that has a pair of aces. I need to make a standard value bet here for two reasons. First, to get value from my pair and secondly, to see where I'm at in the hand. With one opp in the hand, a standard bet is 1/2 pot, so I will bet 730. I cannot bet less than this as I'm pricing IN all of the opp's draws and overcards, so I get absolutely no information about their hand (if the opp gets a +EV play, they should never fold). My plan for the hand is that if I'm raised, then I'm behind and need to fold. If the opp calls, then I need to re-evaluate on the turn. The turn puts a second flush draw out there and here is the key decision in the hand. I either need to make a standard bet of 1230 (but since this basically pot-commits me, I have to jam) or check and fold. I cannot bet small and to see why, we need to look at the hand from the opp's perspective. I see player 6 make a standard raise saying their hand is strong preflop. Then, on the flop, the opp makes a weak bet that prices in the draws (means they have a draw or something marginal). The same thing on the turn (the weak bet says draw or marginal hand). Either way, they've shown weakness two streets in a row. Guess what, it's a perfect opportunity to raise them (I'd just jam instead of clicking it back)... but either way, the opp is pot-committed. Since their hand has screamed weakness twice, especially in a freeroll (but I'd do this in any other tourney too). I'm putting pressure on them with ATC here because even if I floated the flop with say 2 broadway cards... they have no clue whether I'm ahead or not and if they have the hand they are repping (marginal-at-best), they have to fold. The way the hand played out, instead of making a standard bet on the flop and getting the info that I needed for 730 chips, 1500 was bet between the flop/turn, which means that 770 extra chips were leaked off. If I bet the turn, it HAS to be a shove here, especially in a freeroll, where I can get called by less. Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.umbup: John (JWK24)
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      • #4
        Thanks guys for the replies.
        JWK although I agree with most of your analysis, I think you are giving freeroll players too much hand reading credit.
        In my opinion a turn minraise happens only if a villain has the nuts or something close to it.
        And also let's say villain is bluffing, or semi-bluffing, why would they just minraise instead of shoving and getting way more fold equity?
        I am still not much sure about it.
        Last edited by GamblingProp; Thu Oct 24, 2013, 07:07 PM.

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        • #5
          Most opps in freerolls won't have a clue what fold equity is. They also won't make standard bets.. they only see a raise button, so they min bet and min raise everything.

          John (JWK24)
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