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  • River Bust.. Wrong move?

    I'm thinking I either didn't raise enough pre flop or I should I have shoved? Or was it just bad luck on the river? Take a look at the situation in the video and let me know what you think!
    Sorry, this hand was deleted by its owner

  • #2
    10BB with a pot of 2720 (with the UTG limp), auto shove in my humble opinion.
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    • #3
      well i definitely dont like your raise size as what does it accomplish?

      I also think its a shove

      unlucky river though

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      • #4
        Originally posted by rolo834 View Post
        well i definitely dont like your raise size as what does it accomplish?

        I also think its a shove

        unlucky river though

        Ya I don't know what I was thinking. I should have shoved but he was a calling station and given his stack size I think he was calling if I did that. The only difference (if I made the raise or even shove pre) is that the third player who folded after the flop action would have folded pre flop.


        Just unlucky on the river I guess. Stuff happens
        Last edited by TommysgotAs; Mon Oct 21, 2013, 03:40 PM.

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        • #5
          Hi TommysgotAs! With QQ and 10BB, I get a limp from UTG in front of me. A standard raise for this blind level is to 2.%BB+1BB for each limper (2800), which is basically 1/3 of my stack, which means that I'm pot-committed. Due to this, I need to shove or fold. I do not want to raise to anything less because in doing so, I'm most likely giving the opps the correct odds to try to outdraw me.. and if I give them a positive play to try it, it's my own fault that I lose the hand. ex: the BB here has to call 800 into 5120 (15.6%). This gives them a +EV play every single time (unless the opp that min-raised can only have AA or KK here.. which is basically never the case). If they can have even one other hand in their range, then it's a + play for them (yes, they expect to win chips from me even if I can only have AA, KK or QQ every single time here!). Due to it being a +EV play, they should never fold K7o here. When I give the opp a +EV play (one where they expect to gain chips from me) by betting too small, it's 100% on me if I lose the hand.... it's not bad luck. Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.umbup: John (JWK24)
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          • #6
            I follow the above and would also shove pre for the same reasons.

            As played i dont think we're getting away anymore otf.
            Notify that i'm not inducing players to slowplay QQ in that spot with 10bb, you shouldnt find yourself in flop play because its a clear shove or fold pre.


            Gr. Daikìe

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