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    http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...238_0FE515993C

    What do you think? Villain 3 was very vocal about how bad villain 1's play was without once thinking that a shove here was a poor move?

    The play is from octobers knock out cash tourniment in the PSO series


    Grade b
    I am always ready to learn although I do not always like being taught. ~Winston Churchill

    13 Time Bracelet Winner



  • #2
    LOL.... that will teach the AK player to go all in
    There was no reason for him to go all in
    There's lots of plays fish do and that's one of them
    And those that lose with AK are the one's that cry

    LOL

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    • #3
      That one defines the term value-owned... you're only going to get called by a better hand.. which they did.

      They should have made a standard raise to 3X the previous bet. AK has potential, but overbet shoving, especially an unmade hand.. is a BIG problem.

      Villain 1 was ahead. If they had villain 3 labeled as a maniac, it's risky, but it's a hyper turbo.

      John (JWK24)
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      6 Time Bracelet Winner


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      • #4
        I can't decide what's worse, to be honest. The shove and the call are both pretty terrible. Shoving AKs is bad, because nothing worse calls. Calling with 22 is bad, because you're only just ahead of AK/AQ, but you're crushed by 33+.
        In short, I don't want to be making a big shove when nothing worse calls, and I don't want to be calling when I'm either flipping or crushed. Neither play is +EV in the long run.

        That being said, if these guys routinely get it in with a range that is precisely 22+/AK, ace king is the better hand to have. It has 44% equity against 22+/AK, whereas the deuces only have 25%.
        Bracelet Winner

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        • #5
          Shoving AK is enormously more unexploitable than calling a shove with deuces 200BB's deep.
          That being said, at least villain 1 made a solid read.

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          • #6
            ty Guys,

            It was early and so I didn't have read on villian 3. At first I was little shocked by both hands but mostly by Villians 3 reaction to someone playing 22 when he felt it was ok to Shove AK.

            I did get to use the information later to range villian 1 and bust him with JJ against his pocket 44's

            was a fun game (finally cash one in October 2nd to Effsea)

            Grade b
            I am always ready to learn although I do not always like being taught. ~Winston Churchill

            13 Time Bracelet Winner


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            • #7
              At this depth of money BOTH plays are terrible.

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              • #8
                Hey Moxie, do you have a Full Tilt refund due to come your way? There's a fun thread over at 2+2 of everybody talking about how they plan on spending their refund

                How im going to spend my FTP Refund

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TrustySam View Post
                  Hey Moxie, do you have a Full Tilt refund due to come your way? There's a fun thread over at 2+2 of everybody talking about how they plan on spending their refund

                  How im going to spend my FTP Refund


                  Never played there too much. The horrendous video game graphics tilted me (I went with pissed off penguin as my default avatar...).

                  Think I free-rolled enough for a 6-pack of headache inducing beer,not even the good stuff.

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                  • #10
                    lol!!

                    The penguin's very intimidating looking :o


                    Looking forward to the day we get to hear that you've taken the return and used it to build up a bankroll - because online poker's legal again

                    On Stars though, so you don't have to look at the penguin while u play


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                    • #11
                      1st hand of a deepstacked tourney of a micro MTT i assume ? So 1st hand we see a lot of players just pushing so they have an early lead and try to build big stack from the start by just gambling. Then there are players who will do this with monsters as it looks a lot weaker.
                      Both their plays are bad, but the 22 call is way way way way worse than the AK 3bet shove, which is bad, but is ok to do as it's the 1st hand of a micro MTT and will get called a lot of times by worse. In an MTT it's important to build the biggest stack at the table. AK push is unexploitable and does well against a large pool of players who are just gambling with worse the first hand. 22 u just flipping at best or completely dominated by higher pocket.
                      If u can't decide what's worse, well then i have some bad news for u...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by LittleBigBet View Post
                        1st hand of a deepstacked tourney of a micro MTT i assume ? So 1st hand we see a lot of players just pushing so they have an early lead and try to build big stack from the start by just gambling. Then there are players who will do this with monsters as it looks a lot weaker.
                        Both their plays are bad, but the 22 call is way way way way worse than the AK 3bet shove, which is bad, but is ok to do as it's the 1st hand of a micro MTT and will get called a lot of times by worse. In an MTT it's important to build the biggest stack at the table. AK push is unexploitable and does well against a large pool of players who are just gambling with worse the first hand. 22 u just flipping at best or completely dominated by higher pocket.
                        If u can't decide what's worse, well then i have some bad news for u...
                        This is the third level of pso,s private series I think we had 33 runners in this one.

                        Oh no what's the bad news

                        Grade b
                        I am always ready to learn although I do not always like being taught. ~Winston Churchill

                        13 Time Bracelet Winner


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                        • #13
                          Eh..., how can this be 3rd level, everyone stacks is the same, looks like 2nd hand to me..
                          The bad news is, u should quit poker now before u lose it all. Nah, it just means u really unexperienced and have at least 1 big leak.
                          Last edited by LittleBigBet; Thu Oct 24, 2013, 10:13 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by LittleBigBet View Post
                            In an MTT it's important to build the biggest stack at the table.
                            No it is not, specially in the first hands of a MTT

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                            • #15
                              LOL

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