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    After this hand, a discussion happened between me and a villain, about me making the wrong decision and him doubting for my poker knowledge. Although we can argue about a loose call preflop, that is not the point. I want to hear your opinions on what our play should be on the flop. It is 360 for us to call.
    Last edited by GamblingProp; Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:58 PM.

  • #2
    If you assume some implied odds and ignoring ICM you are priced in for a call.

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    • #3
      Hi GamblingProp! This hand is a good example of why there's a strategy difference between league games and cash tourneys. With KTs, I get a min-raise and a call in front of me. In a league game, this is a snap-fold preflop. It's early and I get a negative league point total for an early exit, so I cannot even come close to taking a chance. If this were a cash tourney, I'd be more than happy to make a call here and see the flop IN position, especially if I knew the CO and button could fold. However, in a league game, I cannot be taking any chances early. If I saw the flop, which I would not, I flop a flush draw. I now get a bet of 360 and a call. Once again, with this being a league game, I cannot be taking chances with my chips due to the negative league points and need to fold. If this was much later in the tourney, after I get to 0 pts for an exit, then I can look at this more like a cash tourney.. but not before then. If this were a cash tourney, however, I need to call 360 into a pot that will be 1830, 19.7%. I have 9 outs to my flush, which is worth 18% to the turn. I'm discounting the K's as outs, as one of the others could easily have one. Since my pot equity is higher than what my hand equity is, it's a marginal fold for a cash tourney, as calling is -1.7%EV. But.. with this being a league game, anything marginal, needs to be a snap fold. Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.umbup: John (JWK24)
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      6 Time Bracelet Winner


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      • #4
        Yeah I agree on the fact that I probably shouldn't call preflop. But as played, the call on the flop wasn't an option for me, since I probably wouldn't had enough implied odds to make it profitable. So I decided to take the high variance path and I shoved: My reasoning was: 1.I played the same way a set in a previous tournament. 2.I thought I had enough fold equity to make at least one of them fold. 3.And I couldn't be much behind of anything, so given the pot size and fold equity, it would be a +EV shove. What do you guys think, too spewy?
        Last edited by GamblingProp; Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:06 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by GamblingProp View Post
          Yeah I agree on the fact that I probably shouldn't call preflop. But as played, the call on the flop wasn't an option for me, since I probably wouldn't had enough implied odds to make it profitable. So I decided to take the high variance path and I shoved: My reasoning was: 1.I played the same way a set in a previous tournament. 2.I thought I had enough fold equity to make at least one of them fold. 3.And I couldn't be much behind of anything, so given the pot size and fold equity, it would be a +EV shove. What do you guys think, too spewy?
          I tried to play PL as nit , but never got a chance to be in top 10 at the end of month . I played it waiting for QQ+ but even when I got them they where crushed at least 1 time out of 3 and when I won with them I was too short to make good result. JWK is right , but it's up to you how to play them .

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          • #6
            True Shichi, you can't really win much if you play nitty.
            But I don't want to turn this into a Premier League tips thread.
            I just think I might misplayed the hand, and I want an opinion on just that.
            Losing 10 points or winning 10 won't make a huge difference anyways.

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            • #7
              Hi GamblingProp!

              Shoving in a league game without the best hand after all 5 are on the board or without a premium made hand should NEVER be an option... the chips gained will never be greater than the leaderboard points that can be lost for losing the hand.

              John (JWK24)
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              6 Time Bracelet Winner


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              • #8
                I agree with John, Open or Premier League, Pre flop is a fold and post flop is also a fold

                GL

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                • #9
                  Thanks guys.
                  I guess I should nit up more!

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                  • #10
                    On the other hand, villain is making a mistake in berating you for playing sub-optimally.

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