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  • Finding the "taunting" end game.

    I'm starting this thread in hope of making the most out of the position that I am finding myself in very often, and being able to really make the most of it.

    Ok, so I feel my sample size is sufficient to be able to use the info I am adding shortly as a reliable "foundation".

    My ITM % over the last 2 years of playing MTT's (micro), both in Sit n Go's and Tournaments is around 20%.

    The picture below is a situation I find myself in a lot more than 20% of the time however, and I want to learn how to make the most of it.

    ppppppppppp
    see attached.


    The one on the right.........finished 16th.

    The one on the left..........see below.

    ppp111
    see attached.
    This is just an example and I'm not expecting to win both or anything like that, I want to strengthen my end game and this thread will be updated with different types of information as it might seem a bit vague at this point.

    I'm not expecting any replies right now, but want to get the ball rolling.

    SL
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    Last edited by slettuce; Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:41 AM.
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  • #2
    Hey SL!

    The links aren't working.

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    • #3
      I see the images, but it seems you're just saying that you frequently bust on the bubble, or before the really big money kicks in. Do you ever go to live training sessions? TheLangolier did a great one last night on "Late game risk taking", which focused on looking for spots to steal and resteal chips in order to have a deep run in a tourney. That session won't be in the archive for a while, but training sessions happen almost every day, and there are hundreds of videos on tourney strategy in the archives.
      Check out the archives for sessions with Ahar010, Chewme1 and TheLangolier.
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      • #4
        I was there last night Arty, saw some your comments too, and at all/most live trainings.

        It's not the bubble issue, it's being in the money with 40 or more BB's pretty often but falling short a lot of the time but also winning a few.

        It's definately the "steal/re-steal" issue that is the cause, I'm just going to have to work on this particular "art" much harder.

        But I am still very new to giving 100% of my focus to playing on Pokerstars, (only 3 months) and already my game has improved just by putting in the time.

        And I suppose I've actually just answered my whole thread's point after re-reading what I just typed above.

        But hope you don't mind me asking for some advice in this regard in this thread, a review of my play would be great (like watching a MTT sit n go and addressing the spots I'm missing out on).

        Sorry if this is confusing, it wasn't meant to be. lol.
        I'll figure it out eventually.

        Thx guys

        Edit: (didn't take a screenshot of this one, but the text result is below).
        I did loosen up in the latter stages, so it's a start i guess.

        PokerStars Tournament #778412056, No Limit Hold'em
        Buy-In: $0.45/$0.05 USD
        90 players
        Total Prize Pool: $40.50 USD
        Tournament started 2013/08/23 23:49:17 ET


        Dear slettuce,

        You finished the tournament in 5th place. A USD 2.71 award has been credited to your Real Money account.
        Last edited by slettuce; Sat Aug 24, 2013, 08:52 AM.
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        • #5
          OK, playing live now, here's a nice example.




          will keep updated.
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          • #6
            Normally I would be folding this, don't laugh.


            The next hand

            did i play it correctly?
            Last edited by slettuce; Sun Aug 25, 2013, 12:49 AM.
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            • #7
              Hey slettuce!

              I can see the boom one.

              There are two main problems that I see with this hand and they are the flop and turn bets. Against one opp, a player has to bet 1/2 pot in order to price out the opp's possible draws. If I bet too little and get drawn out on.. it's my own fault that I lose the hand.

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              • #8
                http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...372_4DCCA414A4

                How would you have played this one? (before seeing the end result).


                And then............

                http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...471_479F89D5D5
                Last edited by slettuce; Sun Aug 25, 2013, 01:22 AM.
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                • #9
                  Diff. tourny.

                  Would this be a good or bad "re-steal" if it is one?

                  http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...532_C1BF894875
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                  • #10
                    In the first one, a standard raise for this blind level is to 2.5BB+1BB for each limper, so I'd raise to 1250. I then get two shoves and with an unmade hand in AK, unless I have a read that both players are maniacs (and it's iffy even then), I'm folding. It's not worth the risk.

                    In the second one, I'm making the same standard raise (2.5BB+1BB for each limper), so I'll raise to 1750. Once again, two callers and due to this, since AK plays worse against multiple opps, I'm folding here too.

                    My std raises are to 3BB+1BB for each limper until 100/200, then I lower to 2.5BB+1BB for each limper, then I lower again at 1k/2k to 2.2BB+1BB for each limper.

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                    • #11
                      http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...827_196FC05FCD
                      (royal flush)

                      http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...840_3F8F1D0DE0

                      Edit...OK....thx John for the explanations.

                      In break now so will give a quick update then concentrate and post again when finished.

                      The same tourny (Hotter 0.55)
                      I'm 57th out of 504.
                      Stack 90 157.
                      Blinds 1500/3000
                      Last edited by slettuce; Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:48 AM. Reason: OMG didn't even realize it's a royal flush.....lol...my 7th one in my "career".
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                      • #12
                        In the first one with AQ, I go to my chart and get this range for calling. 44+ A8s+ ATo+ KTs+ KQo AQo is well within the range, so not a problem calling there at all.

                        In the second one, with AA and less than 10BB.. just open-ship it! Making a standard raise pot-commits me, so since I can't ever fold (and would not even consider folding AA here).. just SHIP IT!

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                        • #13
                          OK finished.

                          So I played exactly 5 MTT tournaments tonight.
                          Cashed in 4.
                          (didn't cash in the $1.10 1000 cap tourny).

                          Here are the others..........

                          PokerStars Tournament #775135168, No Limit Hold'em
                          Buy-In: $0.50/$0.05 USD

                          8518 players
                          Total Prize Pool: $4259.00 USD
                          Tournament started 2013/08/24 16:45:00 ET


                          Dear slettuce,

                          You finished the tournament in 138th place. A USD 2.81 award has been credited to your Real Money account.

                          PokerStars Tournament #777599549, No Limit Hold'em
                          Freeroll Super Satellite

                          764 players
                          $330.00 USD added to the prize pool by PokerStars
                          Total Prize Pool: $436.10 USD
                          Target Tournament #771536538 Buy-In: $3.30 USD
                          132 tickets to the target tournament

                          Tournament started 2013/08/24 12:00:00 ET


                          Dear slettuce,

                          You finished the tournament in 1st place.

                          This qualifies you for a seat in Tournament #771536538. A ticket to this tournament was issued in your name. You can use this ticket to register. See Tournament #771536538 Lobby for further details.



                          PokerStars Tournament #775021515, No Limit Hold'em
                          Buy-In: $0.10 USD
                          3260 players

                          $50.00 USD added to the prize pool by PokerStars
                          Total Prize Pool: $376.00 USD
                          Tournament started 2013/08/24 16:00:00 ET


                          Dear slettuce,

                          You finished the tournament in 566th place. A USD 0.15 award has been credited to your Real Money account.

                          PokerStars Tournament #767536723, No Limit Hold'em

                          Freeroll
                          401 players
                          $10.00 USD added to the prize pool by PokerStars
                          Total Prize Pool: $10.00 USD
                          Tournament started 2013/08/24 14:00:00 ET


                          Dear slettuce,

                          You finished the tournament in 53rd place. A USD 0.04 award has been credited to your Real Money account.





                          Sorry for the jumbled posts earlier, just wanted to get them in and play at the same time, but now I hope the theme of this thread is starting to become clearer.

                          Damn I tried, but because the Hotter $0.55 is such a small buy-in, trying to steal doesn't work because everything is either shoved on, or if I shove, I get called (by more than one opponent) and in the latter stages it was like warfare, 4 all ins almost every hand and most of the time it's like 3rd, 6th and 16th in chips going all in, and yes...........90% of all hands at this stage.
                          So I lasted as long as possible in this tourny. And will be playing it accordingly next time (much looser at these blind levels).

                          I'm happy with the WCOOP $3.30 ticket and the Premier League result.
                          Especially the Premier League.

                          So the trend, as I see it is that I'm ok with the tighter fields.
                          And these are the types of tournaments I will play most often.

                          It's the GTD larger field tournaments that I need to change things up a bit.
                          This isn't a mystery logically, (field size, small buy in and large prize pool = more variance and more gamblers), so I'm not expecting any quick results in these.
                          In the long run I know they will pop up here and there, but there's nothing wrong with adjusting my game in the right spots to maximize my cashes.

                          Thx again John for your answers and guidance, hope I'm not being a pest.

                          Until later..
                          Bye4now



                          EDIT: Duh......only saw the royal flush after editing my posts......lmao. (see the boom link I labeled above).
                          Last edited by slettuce; Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:57 AM.
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