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    Here's a hand that got me thinking. This was in the Chrome Star freeroll from last night and I didn't fancy wading through 7,000 players for a min cash so I took a gamble and was one of the first to go out. Now I know I should have folded but I've been thinking afterwards why I should have folded and can't come up with a good enough reason. I'm 75% favourite in this hand so isn't that what we want? If it were AA then I'm usually an 80% favourite when facing 1 opponent so why does this hand differ from AA? This isn't really a hand for analysis more for a discussion. I'd also like thoughts from any beginner on how you think of this as I think it could be a good thread to learn from. Thoughts please?
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    **moved to more appropriate forum since member says they're not looking for an analysis JWK24**
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    • #3
      point proven on my improvements to the PSO thread.
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      • #4
        A K early

        I am by no means in a position to give advice, but you said you wanted opinions so here is mine.

        I think that was a tricky spot, and I don't know if you had reads on the player or not. A big pair like Jacks plus should never shove there so I would have put him on a small or middle pocket pair, or a weaker ace. I don't mind a fold there because if you're against a pair you're flipping for you tourney life. As it turns out you got in a huge favorite and got unlucky. I also don't really mind the call there either because he has enough worse aces in his range, and even if you are flipping if you win the flip you build a nice stack.

        I hope this is the kind of feedback you were looking for, and I wish you good luck at the tables,

        John
        Tournament of Champions Winner 2014

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        • #5
          Exactly what I'm after Fire.

          No reads on my opponent and only my second hand into the tournament. As I said I'd fold 99% of every other time but I was a 75% favourite in the hand which ideally is what we want. I'd never fold AA in this spot which is an 80% favourite so why should AKs be any different?

          I only called because I didn't want to wade through 7,000 players in a tournament worth around a 75c buy in. Risk v reward if you think about it.
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          • #6
            MTT's are all about taking opportunities in order to build up your chip stack as best you can. Generally as a short/middle size stack if you're getting all of your chips in as a 60/40 or better favourite then that is still worth doing.

            For the first 3-5 hands (i.e. until you've worked out whether you're at a table full of maniacs or nits) I'd say to only play QQ+, AK+ and to call any all-ins with them because too damn often people will shove with worse and give you a fantastic easy start to the tournament, something worth the occasional time that you donk out super early.


            Not a terrible play by you at any rate.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ovalman View Post
              Here's a hand that got me thinking.

              This was in the Chrome Star freeroll from last night and I didn't fancy wading through 7,000 players for a min cash so I took a gamble and was one of the first to go out.

              Now I know I should have folded but I've been thinking afterwards why I should have folded and can't come up with a good enough reason.

              I'm 75% favourite in this hand so isn't that what we want? If it were AA then I'm usually an 80% favourite when facing 1 opponent so why does this hand differ from AA?
              Personally I would have folded. It's not a cash game and you cannot rebuy. It's a tournament so the point is to get as far as you can, at least ITM. If you would have folded you just lost only 3 bb. You will get much more chances. With Aces it would best to fold here too. But that's my humble opinion. I hope this helps.
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              • #8
                Hi ovalman. To me,this is a clear and easy CALL. Here are my reasons... 1: It's a freeroll. OK,you've worked it out that you feel this particular freeroll has an equivalent monetary buy-in value of $0.75,that's still fine. I'm sure you know well enough that the majority of the players in these will ship like this with Ax,any 2 Broadways,any pair,tons of suited combos and lots of connectors as well. In other words we're ahead of a lot of the range of what players are capable of spazz shoving here,we CRUSH a fair percentage of that,and we're flipping with all of the pairs except the AA and KK hands. So our odds are good here. 2: Making this play fits the battle plan you took into this MTT..."willing to gamble early in lieu of nitting it up to a min-cash". When we go into a game we should always have an idea of a plan,as whilst lots of different situations can and will influence individual situations in any game we play,if we have an overall plan for a particular type of game (STT's are different from 45 man's,are different from 180's,are different from freeze-out MTT's...standard blinds,turbos...you get the drift)then when situations arise where a path forward on how to continue in a hand isn't obvious having the situation wherein said hand arises fall into the parameters of our plan gives us a clearer path. THAT'S what happened here. You got the type of hand,in the scenario that fits the parameters of what you were looking to do going in, pretty much to a T. Don't second guess the play then. Instead ask yourself if the plan makes sense to you. If the answer is yes,then when spots that play into that come along (like this one...) just stay true to the plan and go with it. Myself I'm pretty much going to be perfectly happy to ride AK HU for stacks this early in any freeroll (and most mini-micro $ MTT's as well...)as it is. Given the parameters of the plan you laid out going in,were I playing with that mindset (and in freerolls I pretty much ALWAYS have that mindset...get a stack early or bust) then it's an insta-call for me. Given what your intentions were I think you 100% made the right play here. Run better next time. umbup:

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                • #9
                  Personally, I probably wouldn't call here. The only hands we're really beating are worse aces. While there are quite a few of them (disregarding crap aces), there's tons and tons of pairs he could shove with. AK is just an ace and a king and you can't win a tournament in the early stages. A double up is great but it's not worth the risk in my opinion. Then again, it was a freeroll and that complicates things. I hate the expression but I'd probably wait for a better spot than all in preflop with an unpaired hand.


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Moxie Pip View Post
                    Hi ovalman. To me,this is a clear and easy CALL. Here are my reasons... 1: It's a freeroll. OK,you've worked it out that you feel this particular freeroll has an equivalent monetary buy-in value of $0.75,that's still fine. I'm sure you know well enough that the majority of the players in these will ship like this with Ax,any 2 Broadways,any pair,tons of suited combos and lots of connectors as well. In other words we're ahead of a lot of the range of what players are capable of spazz shoving here,we CRUSH a fair percentage of that,and we're flipping with all of the pairs except the AA and KK hands. umbup:
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                    • #11
                      In the big $2.20 this early its a reluctant fold for me in this freeroll with no read this is a for sure call given the hands that usually get turned over here.

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                      • #12
                        Think of AK as pocket 3's

                        AK is still a drawing hand no matter how you think of it,
                        I personally hate AK amount of times it's cost me a final table!

                        Early in a tournament i'd raise 3x if some-one shoves in a buyin $10+ fold it
                        but in this case AK suited 1st hand in a 7k field freeroll basically... had to go with it.
                        Just got very unlucky.

                        Good post
                        Goodluck

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                        • #13
                          In this situation (ONLY because its a freeroll) I think AKs is just as good as AA.
                          First hand of freerolls see some rubbish hands played so AKs is nice, in my opinion, on first hand.
                          If it was me though, I probably would have raised to 4x pot (hopefully scaring away the A8??).
                          But DEFINITELY if an opponent re-raises to all-in I'd fold.

                          I'm no pro, but these were my thoughts when I saw the vid.

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                          • #14
                            I add my weight to the people saying to call.

                            1. It's a freeroll and even though its not open to everyone there a lots of idiots in it.

                            2. AK is strong enough to go with in tournaments like this for the reasons already outlined ie dominating other aces and flipping against every pair up to QQ. I'm happy to take that in a freeroll.

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                            • #15
                              As played fold. You are flipping at best most of the time, which isn't what you to be doing in the first level of a tournament. You have to think your edge is better than flipping right away.

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