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    what would you have done? reads not any good ones. table changed alot with players coming and going. But saw some players going in with A? For me a scary flop. What to do?

  • #2
    **moved to more appropriate forum JWK24**

    6 Time Bracelet Winner


    • #3
      Raising to 4x with two limpers is a bit smallish. I'd prefer at least 500 to go and since that is 40% of your stack I would shove pre.

      Good decisions!


      • #4
        Hi dopplerboyf5! With KK and two limps in front of me, I would normally raise to 3BB+1BB for each limper (500), however, with a premium hand and with a standard raise costing me well over 1/3 of my stack.... I'm shoving with KK preflop. I want any of the limpers that would call to have to pay the maximum to see if they hit a part of the board and if they call and hit, I'm going down with a category 1 (premium hand). Even if it's a league game, if I ever take an early exit, I want it to be with QQ+ preflop... so that the opps can't see that they may have hit the flop. Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.umbup: John (JWK24)

        6 Time Bracelet Winner


        • #5
          This is a super standard shove preflop with KK. You have 12.5BB and 2 people trying to donate to you by limping in.
          If you shove and they fold, you still increase your stack by almost 30% which is a great result.

          As played, as sick as it is, I think you have to fold. With so many people in the pot I cant imagine at least one of the not having an ace.


          • #6
            I wouldn't always shove KK preflop here. I would shove only if I thought I was likely to get called in one or two spots.

            If I don't shove preflop I am raising bigger than 400 preflop - to about 600 - and getting in on any flop.

            We are second shortest stack at the table and I really want to get all the chips in and double/treble up - taking the blinds/limpers preflop is OK too - but I want to get as much action as I can here - and I am committed to the hand even with an ace on the flop and bet/raise action.

            This might not be correct but even raising to 400 is pretty committing and folding with less than 10BB left is horrible - I want to get it in either way and see how it ends - so I am not going away.

            Given the weak limp/calls preflop we might be folding the best hand - to QQ etc - but of course Ax is a big part of these opps ranges - its horrble if we lose to any A - especially if 2 opps have one.

            Plus - we do cover the smaller shoved stack - so could win a potential side pot.

            Get it in and move on - up or out.

            Last edited by EdinFreeMan; Thu Aug 23, 2012, 07:55 PM.
            4 Time Bracelet Winner


            • #7
              Thanks for the advice everyone!! I saw it as this. When the player to my right went all-in I knew he had to have an ACE. I still had 8 big blinds and next to the button so I still had time to try and get chips in. Thats basically how I saw that hand. Thanks again to allumbup:



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