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  • how to play this right-big 11

    Sorry, this hand was deleted by its owner
    is it a fold on the river?

  • #2
    I don't know if I would have raised the Q2 off. I'm basically hoping for all to fold there, because there's not gonna be a flop out there I'll be happy with unless I flop a set or 2 pair. Even a Q high flop won't make me all happy, though the odds of the caller having a Q as well is rather limited. Flopping a pair of ducks, well, let's not go there.

    Whee - dream flop - 2 pair. So we're most likely good here. Opponent bets half pot, so the options are call or raise. I need to protect my hand since the pair of deuces is too vulnerable to a possible counterfeit on turn or river, so I'll opt to raise to about 4k. I think the minraise is way too small, giving the opponent better than 4 to 1 odds to call. He's basically priced in to call with any draw or pair, and I wanted to protect my baby pair here.

    J on the turn isn't my favorite card of course. He could have been playing a AJ or KJ which was certainly priced in to call the flop bet, and I'll be drawing to 4 outs then. Overall, we're probably still good. He checks, and I'd opt for a value bet of around 3/4 pot to price him out of chasing his draw. So around 6-6.5k. But that leaves me with only 6.5k behind. that's gonna be one very small value bet on the river, 6.5k into a 21k pot. So, If I go for a bet here I might as well shove it allin. After all - the flush draw is there now, and I really don't want him drawing to a club on the river.

    River makes another club, and another overcard, doing excactly what I was trying to prevent from the get go - my pair of ducks is now counterfeited, and the lone K has me beat. Also, the flush got there. So to answer your question: yes, I would have mucked to his river bet.

    Overall, I think you should have shoved the turn to price out people with one pair or the flush draw, as your hand is vulberable to both of them. Downside is: if you don push the turn, you'll basically get called only by a hand holding a J. If the opponent isn't a complete maniac, he won't be chasing his flush then.

    As it turns out, it wouldn't have mattered, we were pretty much dead on the turn. I would have been gone after this hand. Or maybe not since I prolly wouldn't have played the Q2 ...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by marvinsytan View Post
      Sorry, this hand was deleted by its owner
      is it a fold on the river?
      ??? is it a fold pre flop ??? some sort of read on villain or why are you in this hand in the 1st place?
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      • #4
        i want to attack the limper

        opp is a limper

        i want to chip up without showdown

        i thought i got him on the flop. i want his whole stack my opp can't even guess my hand this is so good about raising he can't guess your card.

        i have chips and position and the confidence to outplay my opp postflop

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        • #5
          maybe i was in love with my card again after the flop that's why i called the river bet - only if opp is bluffing that i could win that hand

          i think i played it perfectly until the river card

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          • #6
            on the river you're not beating anything, even before there were several hands in his range that have you beat 22 QJ, once you decide to play this it can get messy, imho.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Django66 View Post
              on the river you're not beating anything, even before there were several hands in his range that have you beat 22 QJ, once you decide to play this it can get messy, imho.
              i beg to disagree

              this hand is so easy to play

              if i didn't hit anything i an fold immediately

              i was given a flop that can ship the stacks of my opp to my side and i have a plan to do it just the board doesn't cooperate on the turn and the river

              but i should have folded the river bet. should have could have

              that's why were here to discuss and improve so the next time i'll never make the same mistake again

              lesson learned - that's the best part

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              • #8
                this is the example of how i play in position when it's in the middle stages i don't wait for a hand i just play in position and attack my caller and if my caller played back i just easily fold
                Sorry, this hand was deleted by its owner
                i want to chip up without showdown this is poker

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by marvinsytan View Post
                  i beg to disagree
                  what with ?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by marvinsytan View Post
                    this is the example of how i play in position

                    when it's in the middle stages i don't wait for a hand i just play in position and attack my caller and if my caller played back i just easily fold


                    i want to chip up without showdown

                    this is poker

                    different, no limper,imo.
                    17 Time Bracelet Winner

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                    • #11
                      when i decided to play Q2 it will get messy

                      it wont

                      because i raise representing sir i got a strong hand

                      if i just call that is messy

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by marvinsytan View Post
                        when i decided to play Q2 it will get messy

                        it wont

                        because i raise representing sir i got a strong hand

                        if i just call that is messy

                        who mentioned calling ?
                        17 Time Bracelet Winner

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                        • #13
                          im playing $11R($70K) now this is just now what you want to do in middle stages is to win the blinds as many as possible so your not going to be blinded out
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                          • #14
                            hey marvin, maybe we should wait for a verbose respons, i'm just giving my opinion, you believe you played this right, i don't.

                            anyway good luck at the tables, ceeya.
                            17 Time Bracelet Winner

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Django66 View Post
                              who mentioned calling ?
                              no one mentioned calling i was just saying if i only called this one that's the time it will be messy but i didn't i represented a strong hand.

                              im telling a story that i have a strong hand and my opp is telling me that his hand is only good for 1BB he is very weak i want to take advantage of my opp

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