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that's why limping AA-utg is bad-$3.5R180 man

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  • that's why limping AA-utg is bad-$3.5R180 man

    Sorry, this hand was deleted by its owner
    C/R to make QQ or even AK to fold if called still have a chance to win and become the chip leader got called im the new chip leader hopefully i can take this down as of this writing im down to 20BB

  • #2
    preflop: see the flop for free... exactly what you want to get with a medium hand with potential

    flop: you get a flush draw on a paired board... very scary. Like the check to the limper but absolutely hate the shove. There is basically no way you currently have the best hand and even if you hit the flush, any opp with a 9 or pkt pair has outs on you.
    Flat their bet and re-evaluate on the turn.
    At this point, you have 40% equity against their exact hand and over 40% of the chips in the pot are yours... which means it's a -EV play for you. Way too LAGGY to be putting your tourney life on the line without the best hand (or even the odds to hit your draw). Wait until you're ahead, then shove.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by JWK24 View Post
      preflop: see the flop for free... exactly what you want to get with a medium hand with potential

      flop: you get a flush draw on a paired board... very scary. Like the check to the limper but absolutely hate the shove. There is basically no way you currently have the best hand and even if you hit the flush, any opp with a 9 or pkt pair has outs on you.
      Flat their bet and re-evaluate on the turn.
      At this point, you have 40% equity against their exact hand and over 40% of the chips in the pot are yours... which means it's a -EV play for you. Way too LAGGY to be putting your tourney life on the line without the best hand (or even the odds to hit your draw). Wait until you're ahead, then shove.
      where can i study all the math

      maybe that's my other leak i don't about the math

      i just know the simple math but the complex math i know nothing

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      • #4
        www.pokerstove.com is where I'm getting the numbers from.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by JWK24 View Post
          www.pokerstove.com is where I'm getting the numbers from.
          i really need to practice using this one

          tnx

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          • #6
            I'd lead the flop and be happy to get it in with my mega draw most of the time. Since there is no preflop raiser I don't really like checking, hoping for a c-bet. You have so much equity against anything but KK/K9. Q9 and QQ do block your gutshot outs, but against them most of your flush outs are still live.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by JWK24 View Post
              At this point, you have 40% equity against their exact hand
              Originally posted by marvinsytan View Post
              i just know the simple math but the complex math
              Oh that's interesting - usually the 4 to a straight flush is ahead of any pair, even an overpair (equity wise) ... I guess the pair on the board tilts things in favor of the AA, eh? I didn't know that either

              During my downswing I got into so many situations with flushes and flush draws being compromised by paired boards - people already had boats and quads and I was drawing dead. Or else I had the flush and they wound up making a boat or a quad. Or else I had a flush draw and while they had two pair, then I made the flush, then they made the boat or the quad. Stuff like that.

              I guess either way though 60/40 or 40/60 it's still pretty close ... I guess there's two schools of thought on how to play hands that are close like that, eh? Like either pot control or put it all in the middle with these 'wet' or 'draw heavy' or 'action' boards? (JWK prefers the first, oriholic's a fan of the second).

              I'm still experimenting with different stuff ...
              Last edited by TrustySam; Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:52 AM.

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