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    This is a STEP 2 game and as many know top 2 get a STEP 3 ticket and 3rd and 4th get a replay of STEP 2.

    PokerStars Game #72583771343: Tournament #487813404, $25+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2011/12/22 9:15:40 ET
    Table '487813404 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: Highlandbear (2020 in chips)
    Seat 3: pearljam020 (2360 in chips)
    Seat 5: 19honu62 (2120 in chips)
    Seat 7: dedekNaKoki (7000 in chips)
    dedekNaKoki: posts small blind 100
    Highlandbear: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to 19honu62 [4s 4d]
    pearljam020: folds

    What is your move?

    Gidee Up!

  • #2
    limp in or jam

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    • #3
      Easy open shove, imo. On 10bb, I'm pretty sure it's unexploitable, and you want to fold out as many flips as you can, so raise/calling is out of the question. If you minraise, hands like KJo might rejam thinking they have fold equity, whereas they might go away if you just ship it now. Folding is an option if you think you can fold your way to a ticket upgrade, but it's definitely on the nitty end of the spectrum. If there's any fear of the bubble at this table, that works to your advantage, too.
      Last edited by PanickyPoker; Tue Dec 27, 2011, 05:38 PM.

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      • #4
        depends on game flow and opp stats esp big stack,
        without further info prob 65% shove, rest fold.
        17 Time Bracelet Winner

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        • #5
          A. Fold Initially all the signs pointed to jamming pre-flop but then I decided against it. Just a little over ten Bigs with a pocket pair at a four handed table and the signs looked good for getting involved. But we don't want to bleed chips here. If we go into the pot light we are probably getting called by the big stack and we'll end up folding preflop with just 2 outs to a set. I'd rather wait for a hand like A 10o and shove then as we are in the Fold/Shove range. Raiser umbup:

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          • #6
            why wait for an inferior hand?

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            • #7
              i will alway shove nothing to lose.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by royalraise85 View Post
                If we go into the pot light we are probably getting called by the big stack and we'll end up folding preflop with just 2 outs to a set.
                You make it sound like if we shove, most of the time one of the guys behind us will have an overpair.

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                • #9
                  Tricky. I finished 2nd in a tourney with 44's not holding up, so they are not my favourite hand. Also depends on how the other players are running. If the deep stack folded before me i'd play, if not, then i'd fold because in my experience the deep stacks usually have the run of the cards.

                  But really you have nothing to lose by shoving and should just go for it. If you win you are closer to the next step, if you lose then you get another chance.

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                  • #10
                    of course he's got something to lose, he's playing for $55, the diff between step 2 and 3.
                    17 Time Bracelet Winner

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                    • #11
                      I kind of agree we need more info for example is the table going to tighten up and hope to let the big stack knock someone out.

                      It sure seems like a shoving spot, with the back-up of re-playing if we are crushed. but whats our table image if we push here are the other 2 going to say hmmm that chris will push any pair in this spot, or are they thinking hmmm he's been playing mega tight?

                      I don't like a limp, not mad about a fold (without more info) so i guess a shove is my preferred option.

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                      13 Time Bracelet Winner


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                      • #12
                        Yeah but he gets to repeat the current step if he loses. So its not the end of the world if he does lose.

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                        • #13
                          For me it's an automatic shove (NOT a limp and NOT a call) This is a step and he's guaranteed not to lose anything, he can start over I don't think the short stack will call As for the big stack, he might call and if he does, two things can happen 1) He doubles up and he's in good position for a step 3 ticket 2) He loses and tries again as he has a second life with his step 2 ticket umbup:

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by PanickyPoker View Post
                            You make it sound like if we shove, most of the time one of the guys behind us will have an overpair.
                            More like the expected probability of an opponent hitting an overpair with 5 cards to come. I put pocket 4's into Pokerstove against 2 other opponents (1 has already folded) on a 10% range here and the results were not re-assuring. We came out with only a 26.7% equity here so it's not a great spot. In other words we'd lose this nearly 3 out of 4 times played. Raiser umbup:

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                            • #15
                              do you really think 2 opps playing 10% will call a shove ? and that those 2 opps will have hit their 10% on that hand enabling them to call?

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