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  • 10 fpp turbo, difficult decision on river.

    It was very early on so I have no real reads on anyone on the table yet and i've struggled with hands like this throughout my playing days. I'm quite certain I played this hand very dreadfully, won't show what I ended up doing but will tell afterward as to not influence advice.

    PokerStars Game #72239123490: Tournament #476294269, 10FPP Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2011/12/16 14:11:53 ACST [2011/12/15 22:41:53 ET]Table '476294269 100' 9-max

    Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: vlady2 (1500 in chips)
    Seat 2: UNREALLLLLLL (1200 in chips)
    Seat 3: mamabear1961 (1880 in chips)
    Seat 4: AusBas (1500 in chips)
    Seat 5: 33Bones (1460 in chips)
    Seat 6: GazzaT412 (1500 in chips)
    Seat 7: polen1998 (1460 in chips)
    Seat 8: net0supernov (1500 in chips)
    Seat 9: royalfreak79 (1500 in chips)
    mamabear1961: posts small blind 10
    AusBas: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to AusBas [Ad 5c]
    33Bones: calls 20
    GazzaT412: folds
    polen1998: folds
    net0supernov: folds
    royalfreak79: folds
    vlady2: folds
    UNREALLLLLLL: folds
    mamabear1961: calls 10
    AusBas: checks
    *** FLOP *** [Kd 9h Ah]
    mamabear1961: checks
    AusBas: bets 60
    33Bones: calls 60
    mamabear1961: folds
    *** TURN *** [Kd 9h Ah] [9c]
    AusBas: bets 100
    33Bones: raises 100 to 200
    AusBas: calls 100
    *** RIVER *** [Kd 9h Ah 9c] [5s]
    AusBas: checks
    33Bones: bets 340

    What should I have done?
    Last edited by AusBas; Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:18 PM.

  • #2
    Not bet the turn, duh.

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    • #3
      Why not? It has bluff potential against stronger aces, and value potential against just about everything else besides a nine. I think calling the turn minraise was your biggest mistake. Some more info on the villain would help though, since some people would play flush draws and total air like this on occasion.

      The best advice I can give you is to stop giving any one pair so much value that you'll double-barrel it and find yourself calling at least one raise when everything the villain is doing tells you you're beat. Pay more attention to the message they're sending and as soon as it says they're strong, fold. In micro games like this, almost nobody is sophisticated enough to take advantage of that by making consistently good bluffs, so you'll usually be saving heaps of chips.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by PanickyPoker View Post
        Why not? It has bluff potential against stronger aces, and value potential against just about everything else besides a nine. I think calling the turn minraise was your biggest mistake. Some more info on the villain would help though, since some people would play flush draws and total air like this on occasion.

        The best advice I can give you is to stop giving any one pair so much value that you'll double-barrel it and find yourself calling at least one raise when everything the villain is doing tells you you're beat. Pay more attention to the message they're sending and as soon as it says they're strong, fold. In micro games like this, almost nobody is sophisticated enough to take advantage of that by making consistently good bluffs, so you'll usually be saving heaps of chips.
        No one is folding an A in freeroll tourney here. By betting turn you are building a pot that you will either split or lose, nothing else.
        You could build a case for trying to represent AK/X9 in a medium-high stakes game, not a donkfest (you beat donkfests by playing ABC poker, fancy plays are for higher levels).

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Puciek View Post
          You could build a case for trying to represent AK/X9 in a medium-high stakes game, not a donkfest (you beat donkfests by playing ABC poker, fancy plays are for higher levels).
          This ^^

          You should never act more than 1 level above your opposition. In tournaments filled with level 0 players and a few level 1's advanced plays are --EV. Players must be aware before you use more than ABC poker against them.

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          • #6
            Preflop, checking and seeing a free flop is what you want to be doing. Unless you hit three small cards for a straight, you're playing the entire hand with a horrible kicker and out of position.

            On the flop, you hit top pair, which is good... but.. basically anyone else with an ace out kicks you. Making a bet here IS a good thing and you get one caller (the preflop limper). A limper preflop that calls a pot-sized bet on the flop is going to have hit a part of it (99, 89s, 9 10s, J9s, Kx, or hearts for example).

            When the turn pairs the board, this is a big problem, as it hits a good portion of the opp's range and gives them trips (maybe even quads). The only hands in the opp's range that you're still ahead of are Kx and hearts. If it was me, I'm checking and seeing what happens.
            If the opp has a 9, they're going to bet here because they want to price out a flush draw. Kx would most likely check behind, scared of now, not only an A, but now a 9 too, along with the flush draw.
            By betting here, then having the opp raise you, the opp basically turn the nine face up and you need to muck to this immediately. If you check and they check behind, then you need to re-evaluate on the river.

            River: easy fold to their bet. They most likely have a 9 and have the best hand and the best you can do is to win 1/2 the pot, not the entire pot.

            Regardless of the outcome, this hand is a good one to be taking notes on the opp, as you can see what is in their preflop limp range and see if they'll bet only with the nuts, or bluff twice without the nuts.
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            • #7
              Thanks for all the advice guys, definitely taking notes of it. For the record I did fold to the river bet.

              AusBas: folds
              Uncalled bet (340) returned to 33Bones
              33Bones collected 580 from pot

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