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    Hi guys, I just wanted a second opinion on something that has been on my mind for a while.

    I was playing in a tournament holding AKo in middle position. The player before me who is quite a donk....raised 480 in a 30/60 for the 2nd time in a row. I figured because he was playing around 60% of hands, loose and aggressive with a wide range, I shoved my 3K stack over the top. It turned out it was AK vs AQ and Q hit on the flop and I got busted.

    Was it the right move to shove?

    Christophe

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    what type of tourney was it in and what were the chip stacks? That would play into my decision. When they overbet like that before, what did they show?

    AK, while it is a very good hand, is still just ace high. I'd probably just flat it and see the flop. That way, you can get off the hand if you don't hit something. However, if the opp was showing down many bad hands, then don't mind the push.
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    • #3
      It was only $11 10K GTD

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      • #4
        when he bet like that before...he showed J6c.

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        • #5
          I was a little over 3K and he was 6K in stacks. He was very loose

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          • #6
            with that, I actually like the shove. You were and most likely in this situation are ahead, so I like the play.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by skoolbuly View Post
              Hi guys, I just wanted a second opinion on something that has been on my mind for a while.

              I was playing in a tournament holding AKo in middle position. The player before me who is quite a donk....raised 480 in a 30/60 for the 2nd time in a row. I figured because he was playing around 60% of hands, loose and aggressive with a wide range, I shoved my 3K stack over the top. It turned out it was AK vs AQ and Q hit on the flop and I got busted.

              Was it the right move to shove?

              Christophe
              Lots of folks here will disagree, but I think NO. When you shove, you put luck in control. You lose all ability to influence events. Shoving AK is very popular, but mostly I think it's done because it's easy. It doesn't require the player to think about the hand. I try to avoid shoving. I'll do it, when necessary, but generally not. I think people who shove a lot preflop go to final table less than those who don't. The evidence is only anecdotal, but it is there.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by skoolbuly View Post
                Hi guys, I just wanted a second opinion on something that has been on my mind for a while.

                I was playing in a tournament holding AKo in middle position. The player before me who is quite a donk....raised 480 in a 30/60 for the 2nd time in a row. I figured because he was playing around 60% of hands, loose and aggressive with a wide range, I shoved my 3K stack over the top. It turned out it was AK vs AQ and Q hit on the flop and I got busted.

                Was it the right move to shove?

                Christophe
                I like the shove. Normally when you have 50bbs I wouldn't go to nuts, but this opponent wreaks of fail from what you've posted. Too loose and he is raising 8x preflop in EP showing a weakness in bet sizing. You can be very confident you are ahead of his ranges. Seems like a great opponent to feed off. Unfortunate that he hit his queen, but I think you played it well.


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by skoolbuly View Post
                  Hi guys, I just wanted a second opinion on something that has been on my mind for a while. I was playing in a tournament holding AKo in middle position. The player before me who is quite a donk....raised 480 in a 30/60 for the 2nd time in a row. I figured because he was playing around 60% of hands, loose and aggressive with a wide range, I shoved my 3K stack over the top. It turned out it was AK vs AQ and Q hit on the flop and I got busted. Was it the right move to shove? Christophe
                  Welcome to the forum sb ... hope you don't mind me saying this, but your stats are impressive! Congrats on all the success umbup: Do you see a lot of those types of players at the $11 level? I thought maybe there'd be less not more at the higher stakes than at the micro tables, but I've heard there's lots at every level ... sigh ....

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                  • #10
                    From my own experiences, I find that there isn't a great deal of difference between say micro $3.30 tournaments and low $11 tournaments. I was playing the same $11 last night, and 6/9 players had stats something like 60/12 or 60/57 lol. There are the same donky players, but there are also a handful of good players with some very good stats that ive seen.

                    But if u jump up to the $33+ tournaments where the money and stakes are higher, then deception and fancy play works a higher percentage of the time. You can 3 barrel and a player might actually fold TP, but in <$11...haha 2nd pair il call u down all the way.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by skoolbuly View Post
                      There are the same donky players, but there are also a handful of good players with some very good stats that ive seen.
                      You'll find the same type of players in live games too, most of the ones I play are $25-80 and even at that price range live, you'll see the same types of players. I saw a player 3 seats from me at my table in a $350 WSOPC that donked himself out in 4 hands.
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                      • #12
                        Moved
                        Thread moved to Hand Analysis as it is likely to get more pertinent responses there.

                        TC

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                        • #13
                          haha thanks trustysam But these stats could be better, constantly learning.

                          Christopher

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                          • #14
                            Looks pretty standard to be fair. Isolate with the Big Slick

                            Calling off 15% of your stack pre is horrible. You'll have to fold the flop a tonne of times and you don't get to stack the donks A high and trash hands.

                            CorkiePoker - You put luck in control when you shove AA pre. AK likes to see all 5 cards so let it see them. Are you really folding in this spot? What's your plan if you call? Fold unless you make a pair?

                            Nice hand OP, chalk it down to variance and play AK in the future the same way against this villain.

                            GG

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                            • #15
                              yeah i know calling a large raise is definately not the right play here. it was either shove or fold

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