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10 NL Zoom 6 max ,Call or Fold??

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  • 10 NL Zoom 6 max ,Call or Fold??

    PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players Hand converted by PokerTracker 4 BTN: $10.00 (VPIP: 21.82, PFR: 19.55, AF: 5 , Hands: 227) Hero (SB): $10.00 BB: $11.96 UTG: $17.85 MP: $10.35 CO: $11.30 Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10 Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has UTG raises to $0.20, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.20, Hero raises to $1.10, fold, UTG calls $0.90, BTN calls $0.90 Flop: ($3.40, 3 players) Hero bets $2.45, fold, BTN raises to $8.90 and is all-in,

  • #2
    Insta-call.

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    • #3
      Is the small divide between the VPIP and the PFR maybe cause for concern? Since the most common hands to flat-call with are pocket pairs to set-mine (like the lack of divide might narrow his range to just pocket pairs, and not suited connectors?)

      Guess that might still leave a hand like 55 that he might choose to play this way if he's especially aggro and/or felt his shove would be met with a fold.

      Usually I'd take a look at the villain's HUD stats to see where all the AF is coming from - like people with high steal % and high cbet % will naturally tend to have a higher AF? Then I'd look at the villain's flop re-raise and check-raise % to see if he might tend to be aggro with draws. And then the wtsd and w$sd would indicate how lightly he's willing to stack off - like if he'd do it with 55 and 77, or just 33, 44, 66 (expecting a call, based on the strength op's shown so far).

      The more info the better, in spots like this I think ...

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      • #4
        Originally posted by TrustySam View Post
        Is the small divide between the VPIP and the PFR maybe cause for concern?
        Incidentally, I got that tip from reading HA umbup: This section's so helpful, but sometimes it can be hard to show hands where we may not have played so great ... guess maybe next time I choose a hand to post, I should put more care into finding one where I didn't play like a total clown from beginning to end (and only played like a partial clown, part of the way? I seem to be rambling again ... better get back to the grind ...

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        • #5
          he shoved instantly.i thought that he thought i might have say AK or AQ so i came to the conclusion that he probably had an over pair and maybe a set of 66's.

          had a look at his other stats just now. cbet 63% (5/8) , check raise 100% (1/1) , raise cbet 40% (2/5) .Flop AF of 7
          AFq of flop : 58% turn : 75% river: 67%

          wtsd 29% and w$sd 100%

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          • #6
            Wow, not sure what to make of those stats - don't think I've ever seen check-raise and re-raise stats so high! :o Then again his w$sd is 100%, so that's not good :/ Wow, not sure what id do in your spot KR ... am sure whatever you chose was just fine given the info - hopefully the hand went your way umbup:

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            • #7
              Originally posted by kingreigns View Post
              he shoved instantly.i thought that he thought i might have say AK or AQ so i came to the conclusion that he probably had an over pair and maybe a set of 66's.

              had a look at his other stats just now. cbet 63% (5/8) , check raise 100% (1/1) , raise cbet 40% (2/5) .Flop AF of 7
              AFq of flop : 58% turn : 75% river: 67%

              wtsd 29% and w$sd 100%
              Sample size is too small, those stats are meaningless. I have my stats hidden until there has been a minimum of 10 opportunities.

              I don't even start to see PostF stats until 350+ hands on average.

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              • #8
                it is a tiny sample just thought i'd post them anyways.dirt eh would you call or fold the hand?i can tell you what i did if you want,i'm new to the whole posting hand's thing

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by kingreigns View Post
                  it is a tiny sample just thought i'd post them anyways.dirt eh would you call or fold the hand?i can tell you what i did if you want,i'm new to the whole posting hand's thing
                  It depends what you put this villain on. You need 30% equity...
                  If we give the villain 33-66 which is sort of unrealistic we have 30% equity vs. those four pocket pairs. So by just giving them pretty much the nuts, it's a call.

                  If you're putting them on only a set then it's a fold... lol but you can't just put the villain on a single hand. you have to put them on a range of hands...

                  CALL.

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                  • #10
                    Tough one, as BTN seems to be a regular who overflats pre and can therefore produce all sets in this spot as well as a lot of stronger draws. In a multiway squeezed pot I feel villains will be a little more honest with their aggressive action so here in a best case scenario you'll probably be up against a good draw with more than decent equity against your hand.

                    With your flop betsizing I think we are getting a good enough price to bet/call and hope for our ~35% on average equity here.
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                    • #11
                      Oh that's a great point about this villain looking like a reg, and it being multi-way umbup:
                      Originally posted by dirt eh View Post
                      It depends what you put this villain on. You need 30% equity... If we give the villain 33-66 which is sort of unrealistic we have 30% equity vs. those four pocket pairs.
                      Not sure what other hands the villain could have except maybe like 9d 8d? Possibly 77, Ad Kd? Like if he put KR on QQ+? And then if expected value of a call over the long-term is the exact same as a fold, -$3 ... like, you've only put $3 in so far - you'd have to put an extra $6.50 in, just so you can lose 70% of the time (and win only 30% of the time, when (1) you're flipping with the villain (2) and you win the flip (3) or hit a 2-outer) On the other hand, guess there's 18 combos total of 33,44,66, and 12 combos of 55 ... but maybe it's more likely the villain's doing this with 55. Seems like there's little to be gained by either calling or folding, so ... guess if you think a certain range is more likely for the villain to have, maybe that'd be reason to go one way over the other? Awkward spot :/

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                      • #12
                        I really don't see how this is awkward.

                        Call, if he does this with better than what we have, make a note that he is an idiot.

                        Its 10NL, it doesnt have to make sense.

                        EDIT: And yes, I have examples.
                        Last edited by bhoylegend; Sat Apr 05, 2014, 08:16 PM.

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                        • #13
                          thanks for the replies, bhoylegend it's not an awkward spot but i was interested to see what people say.i did call and i did have to take a note on him after lol

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kingreigns View Post
                            thanks for the replies, bhoylegend it's not an awkward spot but i was interested to see what people say.i did call and i did have to take a note on him after lol
                            Hence the reason you posted itumbup: Thing is, they do it with:

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                            • #15
                              Sucks to see KK cracked - you'll get him next time KR umbup:

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