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5NL 6m zoom - SB cold call 3 bet from nit w QQ

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  • 5NL 6m zoom - SB cold call 3 bet from nit w QQ

    Opinions? BU: 11 hands, 9/9/0 CO: 3 hands, 66/66/0 PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/ Button ($4.50) Hero (SB) ($5) BB ($2.53) UTG ($6.99) MP ($2.50) CO ($5.05) Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q 2 folds, CO raises to $0.15, Button raises to $0.40, Hero calls $0.38, 2 folds Flop: ($1) A, 4, 2 (2 players) Hero checks, Button checks Turn: ($1) 4 (2 players) Hero checks, Button checks River: ($1) 5 (2 players) Hero checks, Button checks Total pot: $1 | Rake: $0.04 Results below:

    Button didn't show Hero had Q, Q (two pair, Queens and fours). Outcome: Hero won $0.96[/spoiler]

  • #2
    I think it's hard to get value from anything worse on that board. The way he played it it could have been JJ/TT or something like that. I'd imagine big aces and KK take a stab on the turn.

    I don't think there was much value lost or to be gained.

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    • #3
      What do you thing about the cold call?

      Btw, before Dave says it, too little data to say he is a nit

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      • #4
        About your cold call?

        I don't think it is horrible or anything, I have played hands like this both ways, cold calling and shoving. Its hard to know whether his 3bet is a position raise because we have so little on him, but, what little we do, makes it seem like he is a tight player.

        On Saturday, I had someone play a hand like this against me, I had suited connectors, there was dead money in the pot, so I called and the flop was A high, I had runner runner to a straight. Flop checked to me and I bet, turn checked through, I rivered my straight and bet and he called again, he had flopped top set and never bet it once, let me catch up. The only reason I am retelling that is because sometimes villains just make plays that make not the slightest bit of sense.

        To be honest, even though he appears tight, I think I am probably 4betting and getting it in, its too strong to fold IMO given the relative positions, and what are we calling for? To stack off on low flops? Set-mine? I dont think either are great options but I am probably wrong.

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        • #5
          My standard line here is to 4-bet for value and stack off against an unknown player. CO vs BU dynamic means he can be very wide. The only scenario in which I flat here is if the button is very aggressive, bets a very wide range of hands and is good enough to fold his non-premium hands to a 4-bet, in which I get to extract value from bluffs postflop. Lots of aggressive players will 3-bet hands like QJ and then call a 4bet which is just terrible as your value range dominates them, some agrobad players even 5b shove junk as bluff (make sure you size proper to 21-23bb 4bets this makes the much more happy to shove as bluff as you look like you have given yourself room to fold). Just flatting it also gets tough if the board comes A/K high and villain double barrels and we sometimes have to fold the best hand.

          I think you played postflop fine.
          Last edited by pockettones; Thu Feb 27, 2014, 04:17 AM.

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          • #6
            This is a spot I'd 4bet in and get ready to stack off. I don't like calling there with QQ and inviting the CO in a Mw pot. Given the positions the action is played out, I would assign QQ into my premium value range which probably means we can comfortably get all in and so I would plan my hand along that line by starting with a 4bet preflop. As played, I think I like a small stab OTT to get called by worse and not give a free card to a naked club.

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            • #7
              Edit: removed stats, it can't be true - rechecked can't find a mistake, I will look again tomorrow

              Oh check this out, I got nice stat out of PT

              Out of 62k table rounds in 5NL 6m zoom,
              effective stack size 100+bb,
              all villains I sat in the same table - not just against me!,
              people went AI pre with the hands and got called:

              AA: 10, KK:4, QQ:2, JJ:2, AKs:6,AQo:1,ATo:1, total 26 times

              Against this range:
              10/26*18.45+4/26*18.07+2/26*50+2/26*81.97+6/26*53.95+1/26*69.70+1/26*71.26

              Equity with QQ when AI happens pre flop: 38%
              Last edited by braveslice; Fri Feb 28, 2014, 10:28 AM.

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              • #8
                Edit: removed stats, it can't be true - BUT added back as it seems to hold, forgot QQ

                When we change the effective stack size to 80+bb,

                AA:20,KK:10, QQ:6, JJ:5, TT:1, 99:1, 88:1, 77:1, AKs:8, AKo:1, AQs:1,AQo:1,AJs:2,ATo1,A3s:1
                total 60 hands

                20/60*18.45+10/60*18.07+6/60*50+5/60*81.97+1/60*81.56+1/60*81.19+1/60*80.87+8/60*53.95+1/60*56.76+1/60*65.73+1/60*69.70+1/60*68.02+1/60*71.26+1/60*67.44

                Equity: 39%
                Last edited by braveslice; Fri Feb 28, 2014, 10:30 AM.

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