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NL10 SH - facing strange turn shove 3b pot

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  • NL10 SH - facing strange turn shove 3b pot

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10, $0.02 ante No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. UTG: $32.43 (324.3 bb) MP: $20.04 (200.4 bb) Hero (CO): $10 (100 bb) BTN: $57.19 (571.9 bb) SB: $30.04 (300.4 bb) BB: $8.51 (85.1 bb) Preflop: Hero is CO with J J 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN folds, SB raises to $1.30, BB folds, Hero calls $1 Flop: ($2.82) 2 4 2 (2 players) SB bets $1.80, Hero calls $1.80 Turn: ($6.42) 4 (2 players) SB bets $26.92, Hero calls $6.88 and is all-in River: ($20.18) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in) Results:

    $20.18 pot ($0.91 rake) Final Board: 2 4 2 4 9 Hero showed J J and lost (-$10 net) SB showed Q Q and won $19.27 ($9.27 net) [/spoiler] Villain has a ridiculous 18% 3bet from SB over 280 hands, cbet 78% and turn bet 30%. His stats are 35/19/9.1. What do you guys think of this call on turn? It felt quite spewy on this board, and I know QQ+ make such a small portion of his 3b range and on the turn now he is very unlikely he has 22 or 44.

  • #2
    This is an obvious spot to 4b pre for value with the intention of stacking off.

    Villain has demonstrated that he 3bets very liberally, and you need to start expand your 4b range accordingly.

    As played, calling down is ok.

    Against very nitty villains you could find an argument for folding turn.

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    • #3
      Actually my thought was if I 4-bet I lose value because he folds all his junk and probably only stacks off with AK+ and QQ+, so I thought flatting was good knowing he is so wide here and he is quite aggressive postlop. If I was out of position I would then 3b a wider value range as well as bluffs depending on whether or not he is good enough to fold his marginal hands, but in position I can just call and see a flop here. I think I am only 4-betting a maniac for value in this spot and my read on this guy was that he was just a very aggressive player.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by birdayy View Post
        Villain has demonstrated that he 3bets very liberally, and you need to start expand your 4b range accordingly.
        Originally posted by pockettones View Post
        Actually my thought was if I 4-bet I lose value because he folds all his junk and probably only stacks off with AK+ and QQ+, so I thought flatting was good knowing he is so wide here and he is quite aggressive postlop.
        Calling isn't "bad" for the reasons you mentioned, but I think what birdayy is saying is that we know the villain is getting out of line with his 3-bets in this situation, so we can exploit that by 4-betting lite sometimes and expanding our 4b value range.

        I agree as played calling down here is fine.
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