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  • fold turn w/ 16 outs?

    no info, reg table, though i have 16 outs its only 32% on turn... and to call his overjam i need 55%... so would u call that turn?


  • #2
    depending what u think he has u would have more outs then that... if they had aces it would be nearlly a flip, however it would still be a -ev play to call

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    • #3
      To call you need:
      total money in the pot: 1.10+1.53+1.53 = 4.16
      to call: 1.53
      pot odds: 1.53/4.16 = 37%

      One possibility to his range:{88+,KQs , Q9s, AhQh+},
      where you have 47% to win and so calling is ok.

      If he is tight player who doesent like his nut flush draws, you need to fold.
      Last edited by fadmin; Tue Feb 18, 2014, 02:30 PM.

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      • #4
        You actually need 36.78% equity to make the call not 55% like braveslice calculated.
        Why are we donk betting the flop against two opponent with MP? Is this a value bet? Can we get called by worse? Is this a bluff bet? Can we fold out better? Not all clubs are clean out because sets are in their range and a club that pairs the board is going to win him the hand when they have a set. Since clubs are the highest number of outs here then that fact alone should have us fold their turn over shove.

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        • #5
          I did not calculate 55 36.78 is rounded to 37%
          Last edited by fadmin; Tue Feb 18, 2014, 05:09 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by geoVARTA View Post
            You actually need 36.78% equity to make the call not 55% like braveslice calculated.
            Why are we donk betting the flop against two opponent with MP? Is this a value bet? Can we get called by worse? Is this a bluff bet? Can we fold out better? Not all clubs are clean out because sets are in their range and a club that pairs the board is going to win him the hand when they have a set. Since clubs are the highest number of outs here then that fact alone should have us fold their turn over shove.
            i m not happy how i played it, should have just x-call flop... but since turn gave me outs i ended up calling though i knew i have like those 30% and need 55% ... not close enough :O , so this was very bad play i guess?

            btw i donked flop to trying to be tricky if he just calls etc... cuz its so live flop , i couldnt know he haz big handz ... but still im so unhappy with how i played

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            • #7
              no braveslice, you said 37% not 55%. NautroSasuki says 55% which is wrong you need 36.78% But yea I think I prefer x/c flop alot more because we actually don't want to get raised on the action flop.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by geoVARTA View Post
                no braveslice, you said 37% not 55%. NautroSasuki says 55% which is wrong you need 36.78% But yea I think I prefer x/c flop alot more because we actually don't want to get raised on the action flop.
                oh now i see, silly me i forgot to add 1.50 , so y 37%, so its nice call isnt it? now am happy with that so my outs vs set: , Q Q Q, 7 7 7 ---> 16 outs ---> 32% on turn btw is it so horrible to call w/ 32% when i need 37% or 35%? btw would u like reraise jam all-in by me on flop?

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                • #9
                  If we have 32% equity and we need 37% then we are probably -EV so yes its bad
                  and nope re-raise jamming will get the money in without fold equity; I think you are overestimating your equity here. Try to play around with PokerStove and Flopzilla and see against different ranges how our equity looks like its a good exercise away from the table! GL!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by geoVARTA View Post
                    If we have 32% equity and we need 37% then we are probably -EV so yes its bad
                    and nope re-raise jamming will get the money in without fold equity; I think you are overestimating your equity here. Try to play around with PokerStove and Flopzilla and see against different ranges how our equity looks like its a good exercise away from the table! GL!
                    i know wut r my % against all handz, i just was curious if its good as semibluff,semijam u know? but y if i think about it i know im never ahead

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