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  • 2nl Zooom - AQs SB

    Hi guys, Please could you analyse my play below. This was a very interesting spot for me. Preflop: the fact villain did not 4bet me, amde me think that he may not have AA and KK. Possibly calling in position with AK, for which I was worried about. Bet small on the flop and the turn to keep the pot as small as possible. Was this right to bet on the turn, as I did? I bet the turn because villain may not have a flush and I may be able to take away the pot on the turn with a smallish bet. Also if I checked the turn, and villain bets I won't know where I would stand - Is it a bluff or is it a flush. If villain, raised then a fold. Question is, when I checked the river and the villain bets are you letting go of the hand - I think I would since my relative strenght is low according to the board? Cheers, Pullin
    Last edited by pullin1988; Tue Jan 07, 2014, 05:06 PM.

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    Indeed a interesting hand. I run into this kind of hands often.

    I like your preflop play. AQs is too weak to call. On the flop a bigger bet like 65-75% pot would be better imo. This is one of the best flops you can have. If you don't like this flop, why bother raising preflop?
    AK will prob raise you, AA will raise or just call. KK, QQ, JJ will know you have an ace and might call of not. Flushdraws will at least call.
    Your bet is too small, imo, giving all hands enough odds to call.

    Turn is a bad card. Once again I believe you should bet bigger. A scarecard is not a scarecard for us alone. He might just give up now, but with a 1/3-potbet nobody is going anywhere but call (at least).
    If you bet big on the flop, and big on the turn and he still fires at you on the turn, you can be pretty sure he is not bluffing.

    On the river you cannot do much more than check and pray for a cheap showdown. If he shoves, we should fold.

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    • #3
      Hi, Pullin. I would let go the river if the villain puts money in. Altough I dont excpect him to show show the flush often.

      I would be more worried about the jack hitting the river - AJ probably is only worse holding he is holding.


      AJ,AQ,AK,KhQh,JhKh,JhQh,JhTh those are the most possible holdings I think.

      I doubt if betting the turn is any good - too little value. Only worse hand that could call is AJ, AQ - we split, AK - we pay, Some random flushes - not good either.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by morduk666 View Post
        I doubt if betting the turn is any good - too little value. Only worse hand that could call is AJ, AQ - we split, AK - we pay, Some random flushes - not good either.
        Very true, but if we don't bet, are we check/calling or check/folding? I always have trouble with that.
        If you check the turn, you are pretty sure, he will see this as weakness and bet big (I know I would) and then what?

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        • #5
          hi, pull.

          Do we have any reads on the villain? has he been involved in a lot of pots?

          His open bet size is like what I would expect to see from regs trying to steal the blinds on the cheap, but his stack size is a little awkward for him to be a reg. If he steals a lot in late pos. his range can be very wide here. if his is a recreational player I would put him on small pps suited connectors and broadway cards.

          I think your pre flop play is fine given his stack size we can easily get him in by the river if we hit our hand.

          Post flop I would have played it a little more aggressively, I would have bet closer to pot to make him pay for any draws, and worse aces. That would basically leave him with a one bet. I also would have put him in on the turn, I am not too worried about a flush, looks a lot like 8x a weaker ace or maybe a smaller pp like 66 or 99.

          I am sure some will disagree with my line there but that is how I would have played it.
          Last edited by FireMedic815; Tue Jan 07, 2014, 07:16 PM. Reason: left one line out
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          • #6
            Originally posted by rkleefstra View Post
            Very true, but if we don't bet, are we check/calling or check/folding? I always have trouble with that.
            If you check the turn, you are pretty sure, he will see this as weakness and bet big (I know I would) and then what?
            Went wrong in post before. Was thinking only about what we accomplish with turn bet. Check folding is a mistake, check calling is not optimal.

            Since our hand has good equity but is still underdog(45%), we want to go to showdown for as cheap as possible.

            Pullin did the right thing setting up his own price for seeing a river I quess.
            Last edited by morduk666; Tue Jan 07, 2014, 07:20 PM.

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            • #7
              Hi pullin,

              I think our flop and turn sizings are a bit small, in particular the turn. We're missing value vs. Ax and anything that peeled the flop and turned a draw. Your comment that you bet the turn small because you may be able to "take the pot away" is a thought you should examine... take it away from what? This is a comment one usually makes when trying to win the pot with the worse hand, but in this case there is no chance a better hand will fold. The reason to bet the turn is to extract value from worse hands. And a bet/fold line seems fine to me here, so the plan to fold to villain if they raise I like, but could feel even better about it with a bigger bet sizing... more value from Ax and any draws, and less likely to be raised light.

              On the river, I would personally bet/fold again. But if we check I'm probably not folding to a bet, as I can see a bad 2NL player betting A9 simply because he doesn't understand relative hand strength, or bluffing to try and move us off a hand like KhKc or QhQd with his busted draws.

              I'm not particularly worried about a flush, as I'd expect that to move all in on the turn at least some of the time.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by morduk666 View Post
                I doubt if betting the turn is any good - too little value. Only worse hand that could call is AJ, AQ - we split, AK - we pay, Some random flushes - not good either.
                For a random at 2NL, I think this ranging is way too tight... I expect to get action from many more worse aces, any pair that has a heart, and any big card hands like KQ that took a card off on the flop because they had the Kh or Qh. imo not betting this turn is criminal, especially since we can feel totally comfortable folding to a raise so we don't have to pay off his stronger hands.

                If we had reads, and the villain were a nit, then I agree that betting becomes quite thin.
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                • #9
                  The villain was an unknown.

                  Cheers guys for the advice.

                  Cheers,

                  Pullin

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