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  • 5nl zoom mw overpair vs flop raise

    villain unknown, but a fish given his limp pf I put him on suited connectors and small pockets, no big cards. Thought about folding, would it be too weak? Is it an obvious fold here? Or what would be the lesser evil here, calling or folding mistake?

  • #2
    Hello, more often he will go crazy on the board like with worst hands than QQ he doesn't see big cards on the board that's a good reason for him but I would 3bet bigger PF, 10bb + limper

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    • #3
      why not 3x the opener + limper?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Praydk View Post
        why not 3x the opener + limper?
        bigger cuz u r OOP , and to possibly avoid 3way pot now that u went to flop 3way i bet he holdz , right ? did he?

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        • #5
          Well played pre-flop. Maybe could do it a little bigger, say 45$? Post flop, villain can't represent much, but he is raising in a multiway pot. And i can see him overplay AA there. My nit side gets the best of me and i'm always folding in this scenario.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MrFlopes View Post
            Well played pre-flop. Maybe could do it a little bigger, say 45$? Post flop, villain can't represent much, but he is raising in a multiway pot. And i can see him overplay AA there. My nit side gets the best of me and i'm always folding in this scenario.
            ur nit side can a lot of times be helpful there... 3way pot limpcalled ...when i allin here, he always haz although he can be pushin FDs and OESDs, or gutshots like J8 , but he can so often have any T like here and would never fold, not even if he was 500BB deep , but since he was 90BB deep, ur play isnt most horrible but especially 3way pot he will also often have T here and u will have 2 outs only ... it would be better if he was pushing this headsup not 3way
            Last edited by NaturoSasuki; Thu Dec 26, 2013, 02:12 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Praydk View Post
              why not 3x the opener + limper?
              because I don't want to give right pot odds to small pairs and other marginal hands and I wan't charge them PF . especially to players who plays fit or fold strategy . only way to charge them 3bet bigger PF and play flop cautiously .

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Shichi-77 View Post
                because I don't want to give right pot odds to small pairs and other marginal hands and I wan't charge them PF . especially to players who plays fit or fold strategy . only way to charge them 3bet bigger PF and play flop cautiously .
                and u actually think that if u bet bigger they will run calculations and fold? nope, they will both call.. they dont know what odds they need.. and they dont play fit/fold strat..
                u r in 5NL not 50NL.. though u can run sometimes in some better players, most often u wont...
                most of players who dont have premium hands just calls anything for any price preflop and they try to get some piece of flop else they fold (often also they will call flop for anything backdoorish or overcardish)

                so often u dont even need QQ to have, any hand is enough, but when they step up , u most often have to fold
                Last edited by NaturoSasuki; Thu Dec 26, 2013, 02:56 PM.

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                • #9
                  they don't need to run calculations to make a mistake
                  and we don't need the fish to fold

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                  • #10
                    Hi pray,

                    I think shoving is really not good here. Not full stacked, and limp/calling OOP so not only fish but quite possibly passive, and yet he's raising, in a multi-way pot, with a click-back (fish sizing tell of a big hand).

                    If he's raising a worse pair to "see where he's at", as fish will sometimes do, he'll fold to our shove.

                    Hands that will get it in to our shove are Tx, 77, and big draws, our equity vs. that stack off range is bad.

                    Folding the flop is fine, as vs. this type of player I think bet/fold should be our standard line in this spot. If we were suspicious he might not have the goods, then call and check/fold to a reasonable turn bet... this allows us to get away from draw completing cards when he bombs again, and when we're ahead the turn will often go check/check. Plus we do have some hand equity, 2 outs vs. Tx and 4 outs vs. 77.

                    In general I am just bet/folding this spot tbh given the info we have.
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