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  • bad slowplay?

    was afraid of straights and in case that turn comes flush , i want to keep pot small and still be able to profitably call turn and see if i hit my fullhouse so i decided to checkcall OTT & OTF

  • #2
    Are you sure u are capable to fold top set ? If you are not -> there is no way you can keep the pot small.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by braveslice View Post
      Are you sure u are capable to fold top set ? If you are not -> there is no way you can keep the pot small.
      why would i fold it ?!
      i would either started reraising to allin on flop or played it drawy like this..

      i didnt say that pot need to be small, its just the perfect size as i wanted it to be,
      OTT i have to call 2$ into 4$ and he haz 7$ behind so with implied odds i haz 2/11.3=18%->need 9 outs at least but i haz most likely 10 outs so perfect.. i did put him on a straight, but same applies for set of TT which i could stack off OTF anyway... but better way is to stack him like dis .. + i got extra value from 3rd player who called extra 2$ behind me OTT
      so i guess i played this line perfectly with numbers and everything

      another line would be to reraise allin OTT , but i wouldnt get that extra caller by that play..

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      • #4
        Oh ok, I misunderstood.

        So you though you are already behind, and wanted to full-house-mine.

        I’m new to this, but if my calculations you get (player 4 excluded) total pot: 2.05+2+9.30=13.35, to call 2, pot odds 2/13.35=15%, I would calculate only 8 outs though, 16% -> still the odds to call.

        Is this correct I don’t know.
        Last edited by braveslice; Thu Dec 26, 2013, 12:27 AM.

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        • #5
          yes, it is bad slow play.

          next question?

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          • #6
            We're behind AK 89. Set of Q's. I guess we are also behind K9 but most people don't play that from early position.

            We're ahead of so much of his range but he could be drawing to a potentially better hand, so I prefer to raise for value as worse hands can call. We also make draws pay.

            So yeah, don't like the slowplay much.

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            • #7
              Raise the flop, print money, easy game.

              You wrote "was afraid of straights and in case that turn comes flush"

              That sounds like "scared money" to me. What you should be thinking is "How can I make the most money from flush and straight draws?". The answer to that is generally to RAISE FOR VALUE. In a multiway pot, it might even be beneficial if you can force flush/straight draws out of the pot. When you just call, you're giving villains the perfect chance to suck out with the right odds.
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              • #8
                Hi Naturo,

                Start providing reads, so you can get better advice. Playing all hands without reads puts you at a disadvantage.

                I agree this is an example of lost value. I would only be concerned about AK if the villains were super nitty (reads). Obviously the preflop raiser can have QQ or AK. Other legit hands for them to hold: AA, KK, TT, AQ, KQ, KJs, AJ, KTs... there's a lot of hands we are way ahead of, that would be willing to give us action on this flop texture. This is not a spot to pot control, it's a spot to maximize value by raising.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TheLangolier View Post
                  Hi Naturo,

                  Start providing reads, so you can get better advice. Playing all hands without reads puts you at a disadvantage.

                  I agree this is an example of lost value. I would only be concerned about AK if the villains were super nitty (reads). Obviously the preflop raiser can have QQ or AK. Other legit hands for them to hold: AA, KK, TT, AQ, KQ, KJs, AJ, KTs... there's a lot of hands we are way ahead of, that would be willing to give us action on this flop texture. This is not a spot to pot control, it's a spot to maximize value by raising.
                  yez i guess i missed value on this one , looks more like i got lucky turn and river card cuz some 4th card to straight or flush card will maybe scare his set of TT's

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