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    27/22 3b from BB 23.1 cbet 78 flop, 99 turn. wtsd 20; 114 hands; What do I do with this hand? It seems too light to get it in preflop, and postflop I have to fold on most boards, we don't have odds to setmine. What else is there? Fold?
    Last edited by Praydk; Fri Dec 20, 2013, 07:53 AM.

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    Fine.

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    • #3
      I think I'd fold to the rather large 3-bet. You don'thave set-mining odds and the hand will be hard to play profitably without the initiative even in position.
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      • #4
        Hi Pray,

        Against a guy who is 3-betting out of the blinds in such an out of line fashion, I am very reluctant to fold a hand as strong as TT. And I do think that we can profitably 4b/get it in here preflop, between the EV from the folds we get to our 4b + our equity vs his stack off range. Since he's going to be aggro post and we can get into a fair bit of sticky spots with TT (like this one), I'd like to take that leverage away from him and exploit his wild 3-betting pre.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by TheLangolier View Post
          Hi Pray,

          Against a guy who is 3-betting out of the blinds in such an out of line fashion, I am very reluctant to fold a hand as strong as TT. And I do think that we can profitably 4b/get it in here preflop, between the EV from the folds we get to our 4b + our equity vs his stack off range. Since he's going to be aggro post and we can get into a fair bit of sticky spots with TT (like this one), I'd like to take that leverage away from him and exploit his wild 3-betting pre.
          Hi Dave i agree on the not folding TT yet as this guy is getting out of line and i would assume you would flat some suited broadways vs this guy also?

          But my main question though is how can we be sure that even though he is out of line 3betting that he will get it in with worse than TT?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mike2198 View Post
            Hi Dave i agree on the not folding TT yet as this guy is getting out of line and i would assume you would flat some suited broadways vs this guy also?
            Yes, big broadways and aces I don't want to stack off pre but have too much value vs his range to 4b/fold... AQ, AJs, KQs type stuff

            But my main question though is how can we be sure that even though he is out of line 3betting that he will get it in with worse than TT?
            Here's the beautiful thing about this guy... it doesn't matter.

            Let's say that his stack off range is JJ+, AQ+ hypothetically. We're a dog to this range, with about 40% equity (a tighter stack off range and we'd be a bigger dog). But this represents only 4.2% of starting hands. Which is a big problem for him with a 3b % this far out of line at 23%. It means 4.2/23 ~ 18% of the time we would get it in with 40% equity, but 82% of the time he's got something that's not JJ+, AQ+. If he folds all that stuff, we are taking down the pot uncontested 4 out of 5 times, which helps compensate for getting it in with 40% equity the other time. If he defends more frequently, then he has to start including worse hands and our TT's equity goes up. His only real defense against this problem is to not 3b so frequently... his 3b range is very unbalanced to non-premiums so when we 4b he either has to give up too much, or continue with weak values too much.

            The real quibble here imo should be that the sample size is too small to rely on the 23% number, which is a fair argument. But it's high enough and his other aggression numbers high enough that I think he is in fact out of line too much (even if not a full 23%) and I'm willing to press this spot personally.
            Last edited by TheLangolier; Fri Dec 20, 2013, 08:42 PM.
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            • #7
              Right i see, so lets says i 4bet this guy and he flats we would go with our hand on most flops?

              Like all low flops and what about Qxx Kxx and Axx? I think if he does flat a 4bet it would be with some weaker broadways so would we still go with it on the broadway flops as well.

              I remember how you said we should go with our hand on that one hand i posted ages ago where i had AK that makes sense but how would TT play on those broadway flops?

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