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  • AA, board gets worse and worse. 5NLzoom 6max

    Villain: vpip 15 pfr 13, 3bet 4.3 in 54 hands hero : 21/14/6.5 Pre: villian bet 4BB Hero 3bets to 11BB villian calls Flop: Js 7d 9d Tricky flop. Thought he would bluff-bet this flop so I checked, ready to raise him. Unfortunally he checks back. Turn: 8s Hero bets 60% pot. Semi-bluff, hoping to pick up the pot on this scary board. Repping a 10 or a flushdraw and my AA might still be good villain : calls River: 10s Hero: I figured if I check, he will bet for sure and I cannot call that bet. So I thought I could better bet myself to rep a flush or bigger straight. Maybe he folds any hand that is a chop. If he shoves he has the board beat, and I would fold instand. questions: Is my analysis complete nonsence or does it make sence? What would be a good sized bet? thanks in advance

  • #2
    I hate check/raising the flop. Just bet/bet/bet unless the board runout sucks (like it did)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by rkleefstra View Post
      Tricky flop. Thought he would bluff-bet this flop so I checked, ready to raise him. Unfortunally he checks back.
      What made you think this?

      I think he might actually be more likely to bluff if you Cbet and then you can 3Bet shove and give him a rude awakening.

      Like Birdayy says, I would bet/bet/bet unless a lot of scariness happens.


      Originally posted by rkleefstra View Post
      River: I figured if I check, he will bet for sure and I cannot call that bet. So I thought I could better bet myself to rep a flush or bigger straight. Maybe he folds any hand that is a chop. If he shoves he has the board beat, and I would fold instand.
      I posted a similar spot a while ago and Dave recommended betting in a spot like this (admittedly the hand played out differently). There's a chance he might fold as he might not fancy calling for only a 50% share, particularly as we might easily have AQ. In this particular spot, I would bet/fold as I think he is only shoving with a Q or a flush.

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      • #4
        Hey Ray,

        I would 3-bet a lot bigger preflop since you're OOP and villain opens to 4x. Your size is pretty enticing and lets villain correctly call a great part of his range. Unless you feel like he will be making tons of mistakes postflop this can be very hurtful to you as you have such a strong range in this spot.

        The flop isn't all that great for Aces and hits the callers perceived range much better with all sets or pairs + draws, so I'd definitely start by betting and re-evaluating against a raise or OTT. I feel like check/raising flop would usually lead to overplaying or relative handstrength.

        Turn and River are really bad cards for us, I don't see much value from worse now so I'd just check/fold expecting villain to check back most weaker hands into showdown. Even if he does bluff us sometimes straights/2 pairs/sets will be the major part of his range in the end.
        Live Trainer



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        • #5
          Of all the things I thought I did wrong in this hand, the one thing I thought I did right was the preflop play...

          What size do you recommend Felix? 13-14BB ? or more like 16BB ?

          @spand42:
          9 out of 10 times I would bet this flop. And bet-bet if nothing happens.
          1 in 10 I try to take a creative line that often resolves in a trouble-spot and have to put the hand on PSO and get shot for making obvious errors
          Easy solution: no creative lines, just play my game. It "seems" good enough seeing the profit in almost 10k hands this month.


          anyway, I did bet 50%pot on the river and he folded. fistpump !

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          • #6
            I would bet 16BB in this case. Its a standart between 3x-4x. because you OOP you make him pay more of playng in position.

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            • #7
              tnx beatmaker

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              • #8
                Oh I noticed that people fold almost same percentege if you bet 3x or 4x so if you plaing against recreational player or unknown you can vary your 3bet size depending on value.

                For example in NL 10
                If you 3bet

                9BB Folding 43.13%
                10BB Folding 49% (I am not s**** why but,maybee People are skare of Psychological pricing because 1$ are shown without comma and in one chip.)
                11BB Folding 44.00%
                12BB Folding 43.75

                3beted 5000 Hands not big sampple but you can se tendencies

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                • #9
                  Nice statistics !
                  So bet 10BB if you 3-bet bluff and bet 12BB to get value

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                  • #10
                    Yes but its in NL10. In NL5 would be 9BB for weaker hands like AJ, KJs, ATs and so on. Against good thinking regulars Ill bet 12BB always.
                    Last edited by A Beatmaker; Thu Dec 12, 2013, 05:13 PM.

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