PokerStars homepage
  • If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

2NL Zoom, overpair facing a flop raise on a very wet board

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • 2NL Zoom, overpair facing a flop raise on a very wet board

    Villain playing 24/20 in 48 hands. What got me tanking the most was the fact that villain insta-called my 3 bet and insta-clicked to raise my CBet. I was really afraid I was up against KK, then again given his stats he probably would have 4bet me pre-flop. I ended up thinking villain had some kind of top pair/flush draw combo. 2 questions : 1. In the tank I narrowed down the options to folding or shoving, calling wasn't an option. Was that right? 2. Was shoving here a good play?

  • #2
    Gross spot.

    I doubt we'll be ahead if villain calls a shove for a ~150bb.

    It's possible he does he have a pair+fd combo, but that's an optimistic part of his range. He could also have sets, flopped flushes and 2 pair combos which we are drawing nearly dead to.

    I'd personally call his raise OTF and reevaluate on the turn.

    Comment


    • #3
      Originally posted by birdayy View Post
      Gross spot.

      I doubt we'll be ahead if villain calls a shove for a ~150bb.

      It's possible he does he have a pair+fd combo, but that's an optimistic part of his range. He could also have sets, flopped flushes and 2 pair combos which we are drawing nearly dead to.

      I'd personally call his raise OTF and reevaluate on the turn.
      Yeah this spot is horrible - I agree with birdayy and would probably call the flop, although I feel like I am probably just burning money as I am like going to fold to more aggression OTT.

      I just feel at microstakes there are much better spots to get involved in where we have a clear edge - this is not one of those spots.

      Comment


      • #4
        This is indeed a gross spot!

        Because we don't have the Ace of spades it makes it more possible that villain will have more *****d flushed and draws.
        24/20 looks LAGish for full ring, but since you don't provide stats on their fold to 3bet I'm going with some assumptions here. I think AA/KK would 4bet preflop and give stack sizes, I think AK might be more inclined to call IP than to 4bet. I don't think QQ/JJ with a spade would raise the flop. Also his min-raise makes me think that he does not have a small made flush so its either a nut-ed flush or a TP+ / TP w FD. So against hands like AK, KxQs, AsQs, AsJs, 55 (I'm only including one set in their range because not all small pairs will call a 3bet) we have 45% equity. The problem with calling is that the pot already includes 1.94$ and by calling the additional 0.44$, villain will have less than a PSB OTT and against a flop x/r line in a 3bet pot on this board I can expect them to put the rest of the money OTT. So our decision I think has to be made OTF. If we shove and they call, the pot will be 5.86 so we risk 2.18 to win 3.68 or we need 37% equity so shoving flop isn't very pretty but it looks like a +EV spot but we obviously have to accept the fact that we will lose more often than win here.
        Last edited by geoVARTA; Thu Dec 12, 2013, 10:24 AM.

        Comment


        • #5
          100bb i'd lean towards shoving but I just think we are a little too deep geo.

          Comment


          • #6
            Thank you GeoVARTA! It's true I should have mentionned his fold to 3bet since it was relevant to that hand. It was at 0% but only 3 hands of data. For the record after tanking for while I ended up jamming and villain, after tanking for a long time, called and showed AK with the Ace of diamonds. My aces did hold up! umbup:

            Comment


            • #7
              Make that the ace of spades!

              Comment

              Working...
              X

              X Cookies Information

              We have placed cookies on your computer to improve your experience on our website. You can change your cookie settings at any time. Otherwise, we'll assume you're OK to continue.