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  • QQ vs JJ, 2NL zoom 6max.

    Hand: http://www.boomplayer.com/nl/poker-h...651_9AD43BE42A

    No info on villian

    preflop:
    - standard open raise from UTG with QQ, BB minraises, call

    Flop:
    - paired board 7-3-7 rainbow,cbet my overpair. BB calls

    Turn:
    - 8, blank card, BB bets 70%pot, I flat. Maybe the 8 hit him or got a flushdraw or he already has me beat.

    River:
    - 2 total blank. Villain bets 70% pot. I call.

    I believe I played it way too passive...

    Question:
    What would have been a good spot to get more value?
    - reraised on flop ?
    - raised his turn bet?
    - shove river?
    - all of the above?
    Last edited by rkleefstra; Thu Dec 05, 2013, 11:29 AM.

  • #2
    Couple of quick points. His raise pre was slightly more than a min raise. A min raise would have been to .10c but he made it 12c.

    When you bet after he he checks on the flop it isn't a cbet, it's just a bet.

    Minor points but it helps to avoid confusion.

    As for the hand, against his raise I would still be looking to raise again here and get it in pre-flop unless we have some specific note or read that he is tight and we are likely to be dominated by an overpair ie. we can narrow his likely range to AA/KK. I think the flop bet is fine, I don't mind a little larger as I think we get called by worse often enough.

    On turn and river when he bets out and for a decent size I don't have a problem with just calling down. He might have a weirdly played better pair than ours, a 7. No draw has got there and still hasn't got there by the river so I think we are good often enough.

    I would make a note that he takes this line with over pairs to the board.

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    • #3
      Hi rkleefstra, Good quick points by bhoylegend umbup: Preflop, I think 4betting or calling totally depends on our opponent type. Though we are sitting with >150bbs I think there is value in re-raising when they just 3bet so small with what is left in the stack. I think AA/KK would be 3betting to a larger size to try to get as much money into the pot considering we are both deep. With that said, I've seen alot of players take that min 3bet line with Ax type hands and PPs (not necessarily premiums) in a way to re-take initiative in the hand. As played, I am calling down here.

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      • #4
        Thanks bhoylegend and geoVarta.

        Sorry about the quick points. I do need to get my "technical language" right if I ask for good hand analysis (this was my first).

        Most of the time, I have bad experiences with 4betting. Always seem to walk into Aces when I do that on 2NL.
        Suppose I did 4bet to like 40cent and get shoved on. Do I call?

        Happy the calling down on turn/river was oke. I thought I lost value there, turns out it was pre

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        • #5
          Originally posted by rkleefstra View Post
          Thanks bhoylegend and geoVarta. Sorry about the quick points. I do need to get my "technical language" right if I ask for good hand analysis (this was my first). Most of the time, I have bad experiences with 4betting. Always seem to walk into Aces when I do that on 2NL. Suppose I did 4bet to like 40cent and get shoved on. Do I call? Happy the calling down on turn/river was oke. I thought I lost value there, turns out it was pre
          Hey rkleefstra, At 2NL, Villains do shove with worse pps & some random Ax, Kx hands & is at the top of our range... so I would definitely 4bet for value to say $0.36 - $0.40 Vs small 3bet from the blinds with a view to getting it in p/f if shoved on. GL @ the tables Tony umbup:

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