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    I have been playing cash games on and off for a few years now and have never been able to reach the point where I am a consistant winner. However I am seeing improvements. What I find most frustrating is how my results seem to swing from encouraging to really making me feel dispair. I am wondering if I spend too much time when losing re buying and trying to break even and not enough time when winning to take as much profit as possible. So in other words my winning sessions are too short and my losing ones too long. I have attached my most recent results from 5/10 cent and as you can see i was getting good results and starting to build up a mini bankroll and now it has all gone tits up. Any constructive / helpful advice welcome. Put downs and spleen venting -see a shrink. Thanks
    Actually cant upload results file it is too big.

  • #2
    Whils I cannot upload the file I can give a brief summary:
    After the first 4 sessions and 784 hands I was down $12
    After 12 sessions and 3167 hands I was down $20
    After 31 sessions and 5332 hands I was up $74
    and where i am now After 52 sessions and 8544 hands I am down $31 and suicidal

    Why are my results so up and down like a tarts knickers??

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    • #3
      Several things can be important here.

      Look at your good sessions and contrast them with your bad ones. Do you feel you played better? were you in a better mood? less tired? did the good sessions occur at different times of day or weekdays than the bad ones?
      where you playing the same number of tables, etc...

      You say the bad sessions where longer. If you only look at the first X hands of each session does the picture change? this would indicate you should keep sessions short because you loose focus after some time. take more breaks.

      This could be a case of bad tilt control. Sometimes bad beats can disturb a players mental balance in a way that makes him play less well. If that happens it is imperative to watch out for this and take steps to fix that, either with conscious effort or just by a break.

      8500 hands are not enough to be sure of anything, specially if your true winrate is low. When winrate is low the effect of variance will be greater and you need more hands to have a valid sample.

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      • #4
        Hi

        Thanks so much for that reply Tweedle. Very very useful and I suspect right on the mark. After I had posted my woes I sat and thought about it for a bit and decided that yes I am a good/capable player but I am STILL trying to rush things. I want results yesterday and that just doesn't work does it. Your reply is very helpful as it sort of confirms what I had started to suspect too that when I play my A game it is good but my problem is that I often let my game slip to C or worse

        Thanks again

        Mike

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        • #5
          It's easy to get emotionally attached to your results, where you're both on a losing or winning streak.

          It is important to fully understand the nature of variance. The sample size of hands you have posted is way too small to be a good indicator of anything.

          Just continue to grind and hopefully you'll have more fruitful winning sessions than losing ones


          Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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          • #6
            OrdinaryGuy1, play 100k hands and then feel free to feel sorry about yourself. 8k doesn't mean anything. If you know you're a competent player keep that in mind and play more. Playing more when you're losing is a common mistake, but a good mistake, i guess. You have to force yourself to play when your losing and try to deal with thoses swings. The day will come when your loosing and you can play with a clear head anyways.

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            • #7
              More good advice thanks guys

              What do you think about the idea (not mine i have read it before somewhere) of setting yourself fixed session times for example 1 hour / 3 hours / 5 hours whatever and making your sole focus to play the best poker you can ignoring the results as much as possible and then quitting when the time is up. This has been suggested as a way to eliminate tilt etc. opinions on this one?

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              • #8
                This is absolutely a good idea. One thing that we do NOT want to be is results oriented, so if setting a time limit will help to avoid this.. GO FOR IT!

                John (JWK24)
                Super-Moderator



                6 Time Bracelet Winner


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                • #9
                  same story, and also I have bad internet connection

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by OrdinaryGuy1 View Post
                    More good advice thanks guys

                    What do you think about the idea (not mine i have read it before somewhere) of setting yourself fixed session times for example 1 hour / 3 hours / 5 hours whatever and making your sole focus to play the best poker you can ignoring the results as much as possible and then quitting when the time is up. This has been suggested as a way to eliminate tilt etc. opinions on this one?
                    I don't think it is a bad idea at all to set an upper time limit on sessions but don't feel that you have to stick to it.

                    For example, I've often started up a session with the intention of playing for an hour or so, but where I have been fortunate enough to get a BI or two ahead early in the session then I am more than content just to stop after 10-15 minutes and relax a bit.

                    I generally make up for that with longer sessions when I am break even or behind, which isn't necessarily advisable for everyone, but I have become quite used to longer sessions in these circumstances challenging myself to get ahead. I've only started doing this since I have improved my emotional game though and if there are tilt problems it shouldn't be done. I've not abolished entirely from my game but I am in much better control than I used to be.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by OrdinaryGuy1 View Post
                      More good advice thanks guys What do you think about the idea (not mine i have read it before somewhere) of setting yourself fixed session times for example 1 hour / 3 hours / 5 hours whatever and making your sole focus to play the best poker you can ignoring the results as much as possible and then quitting when the time is up. This has been suggested as a way to eliminate tilt etc. opinions on this one?
                      Hey Mike, I agree with the others... sample size is too small to beat yourself up over & at the end of the day its only a 10BI swing, which is nothing! It is sometimes difficult to detach yourself from your results 'good or bad'. The great thing about cash games [unlike MTTs etc]... You are in control of your own schedule / sessions & if you feel like you're not playing well or 'on tilt' close your session & take a break... or set a time limit [as above] & see if that helps. Most importantly, review your sessions more closely & see if you can identify leaks in your game [We've all got them]. Also, when things are not going well at my regular stakes, I often play the odd session at the lower stakes for a confidence / BR boost as I genuinely believe I have an advantage over most 2NL / 5NL players. GL @ the tables Tony umbup:
                      Last edited by Prodigy237; Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:21 PM. Reason: Added

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                      • #12
                        Thanks everyone for the further replies. It is very helpful to be able to bounce ideas off people. It is also a refreshing change to encounter nice people posting and replying unlike on some of the poker forums I have tried where some people just seem to get off on being nasty

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                        • #13
                          Hi Prodigy 237 something you have said that I would like to pick up and explore further is when you say that a 10 buy-in swing is not that bad.
                          My long term goal is to be able to play cash for a second income and maybe even a first income. When I have a swing down like this I am saying to myself. You couldnt play this for a living because with a swing down like that how would you be ever making any money. What would be really helpful would be to understand how those playing for income or a living manage to do that and suffer these downswings too.
                          I am waffling as usual I suppose what I am trying to say is, if I was a pro playing 8 hours a day 5 days a week would I eventually recover that 10 buy-in loss and return to even, and then start building up profit etc from which i would take my income. This is all theoretical as I am nowhere near ready for that lark but i need to understand it. I suppose I have it in my head that successful cash game players dont go that far down but just dip a bit and then carry on increasing their winnins but may be it doesnt work that way??? As they say at University (I haven't been) discuss!!!!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by OrdinaryGuy1 View Post
                            Hi Prodigy 237 something you have said that I would like to pick up and explore further is when you say that a 10 buy-in swing is not that bad.
                            My long term goal is to be able to play cash for a second income and maybe even a first income. When I have a swing down like this I am saying to myself. You couldnt play this for a living because with a swing down like that how would you be ever making any money. What would be really helpful would be to understand how those playing for income or a living manage to do that and suffer these downswings too.
                            I am waffling as usual I suppose what I am trying to say is, if I was a pro playing 8 hours a day 5 days a week would I eventually recover that 10 buy-in loss and return to even, and then start building up profit etc from which i would take my income. This is all theoretical as I am nowhere near ready for that lark but i need to understand it. I suppose I have it in my head that successful cash game players dont go that far down but just dip a bit and then carry on increasing their winnins but may be it doesnt work that way??? As they say at University (I haven't been) discuss!!!!
                            Professionals are supposed to keep a minimum of six months living expenses aside from their bankroll.

                            This should allow them to play freely knowing it isn't their rent money etc. that they are playing with.

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                            • #15
                              I get that but what I am more interested in is whether a successful professional would have downswings like this and still recover and go on to be in profit. I cannot imagine you could have them too often or all you would do all month would be go up and down but not actually make any money.

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