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  • Losing OTB!

    Hi guys,

    I thought I would share this as I don't know where I might be going wrong. If anyone could identify somewhere where I might be going wrong that would great.

    So far this is the stats that I have when OTB:

    Hands: 3,161
    Net Won: -$4.29
    bb/100: -6.79
    VPIP: 21.8
    PFR: 14.2
    Agg: 1.3
    3bet: 2.6
    WTSD%: 25.7
    W$SD%: 48.7
    Flop C-bet: 59.2
    Fold to a C-bet: 59.3

    Anyone see where I might be going wrong, or is the sample size too small and that this could be due to variance?


    Cheers,

    Pullin

  • #2
    From a first glance you aren't 3betting enough and you are folding too much to c-bets.
    But that's just my opinion, sample isn't that big, so it could be just variance.

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    • #3
      Aggression seems a bit off post flop.

      Do you tend to fire off one cbet and then give up and check/call or check/fold?

      I'd not be trying to bluff a calling station but there should be plenty of opportunity to barrel on certain boards. With that said, it's likely short term variance, there was a long stretch for me where I was profitable in the blinds and losing from the cut off and hijack. It's now corrected itself to what my playing style should lead to.

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      • #4
        Cheers guys,

        I do think my cbetting is off. Also post flop aggression wise, I will cbet when missed, but then give up, so I do think there is scope to barrel say when I have a good draw, maybe even when I got AK, etc. what do you think?

        Cheers,

        Pullin

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        • #5
          Post some hands up where you dont flop anything, you might find someone can help you out.

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          • #6
            Are these stats for Full Ring or 6 Max?
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            • #7
              Sorry these are for full ring

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              • #8
                Originally posted by pullin1988 View Post
                Cheers guys,

                I do think my cbetting is off. Also post flop aggression wise, I will cbet when missed, but then give up, so I do think there is scope to barrel say when I have a good draw, maybe even when I got AK, etc. what do you think?

                Cheers,

                Pullin
                Yeah, I think that makes some sense, I wouldn't go crazy with it but at the right times there is definitely scope for making these moves.

                http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/articles/Bluffing-101

                The link above is to one of Dave's training classes, and at the start he makes a significant declaration about bluffing and bluffing at the micro-stakes. Well worth watching. You have to know who your opponent is, if they are a calling station you should only be betting for value most of the time if you have totally whiffed, but if they are capable of folding, then you can consider betting multiple streets.

                Dave explains the concept much better than I ever can of course. In fact, I am going to watch the video again now, because I am much in need of it myself.

                Just to add - value betting at the micros is much more important than bluffing.

                http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/lib...=Value+betting

                Check these videos out too. The trainers are six max players but the same general theory applies. The games arent that different.
                Last edited by bhoylegend; Tue Sep 24, 2013, 11:09 AM.

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                • #9
                  VPiP is a little high for full ring. I suspect your playing hands like KQo in middle and early positions, getting yourself into trouble and spewing chips.

                  Your Agg is also not so good as others have mentioned. You seem to give up or call to easy thus not maximising the spots where you are ahead.

                  These stats are fine for 6 max BTW although your 3bet and agg need to be a bit higher.

                  Tighten up a little, bet hard when you hit and keep betting until someone shows resistance.
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                  • #10
                    Just so everyone is aware, These stats are for on the button only. My overall vpip stats, etc, are different. More close to TAG 14/10. I'm making money in those spots, so all seems to be good; however, there could e room for improvement and make more money, but yes just to reiterate, this button stats only. I won't play KQo early or MP1, but maybe MP2. Does that make things clear?

                    Thanks for all your help.

                    Cheers,

                    Pullin

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                    • #11
                      Thinking about this in more detail, am I right in thinking the following with regards to stats alone.

                      On the button in general it's good to open a lot wider than in other positions. Therefore I would assume that because you are opening a lot wider and positionally aware villains are aware of this, then I think that the cbet stat should be a lot lower in this position. I think around average for a TAG is about 50%ish? But that is more than likely an overall stat. I am aware that my cbet numbers for all positions are all roughly the same, for which I don't think this should be so.

                      For instance, if in UTG I am only playing say TT+ (it's not, but good for an example), then you are likely to fire a cbet 100% of the time becuause your nitty in this position. The opposite would apply for the being on the button. I would think that you cbet should probably be a lot lower than what my stats indicate, maybe even lower than 50%, because if any opponent calls then chances are I am more likely to be behind, given that the villain will be out of position. Thinking about this further, this might be different since you have position on villain. Any flaws in what I have written.

                      Obviously this all goes out the window if you know a particular villain cbetting/cbetting folding ststs, because you would adjust to what you know.

                      I am currently playing zoom for which I don't currently have a great deal of stats on villains at the moment due to a big pool of villains.


                      Cheers,

                      Pullin
                      Last edited by pullin1988; Tue Sep 24, 2013, 01:04 PM.

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                      • #12
                        To mee vpip and pfr look VERY low for BTN. Maybe thats just me?
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                        • #13
                          They do indeed look low, but I think that it might be because that I appear to always face either a raise or a limper and therefore stealing goes out the window, so I tighten up, or do you think that this is still low given facing a raiser and limper. Thanks guys I appreciate the discussion.

                          Cheers,

                          Pullin
                          Last edited by pullin1988; Tue Sep 24, 2013, 01:24 PM.

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                          • #14
                            I read the OTB bit of your post and guessed it was On The Button but I still assumed these were overall stats and not just from the button.

                            I'm a STT/ MTT player but I understand the importance of position. There should be a smooth progression between playing the least amount of hands in early position to playing the most amount of hands when you're on the Button.

                            Ignore what I told you above as that was for your overall stats. I think you're playing too tight on the button but your not maximising your chips when you get a hand. Loosen up a little pre flop and bet harder when you hit.
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                            • #15
                              Cheers Ovalman

                              Pullin

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