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    Why would a nit do this he knows im not a station so i doubt hes shoving any king here and my c bet don't mean i have nothing, i don't see a reason for him to be tilting im baffled i called this purely because a calling station just rivered me again and i was well annoyed this time so i had to call this AA hand with all the unlikelyness of him having a K as well

  • #2
    Hi Mike,


    A few possible reasons:

    1) Your read needs revision, he's not a nit.

    2) He has a read on you that leads him to believe you are out of line here or that you will call with worse hands than JJ (based on your statement, that read could be that you're tilting... and in fact your statement is clear that you were tilting... "rivered me again"... "I was well annoyed"... he may think you're ready to snap stack off 88 here).

    3) He has some other read on you (accurate or not) or is playing uncharacteristic for a reason unknown to you (Maybe his spouse was just yelling at him over something and he's tilted, etc).
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    • #3
      i thought a nit plays like 8% of hands?

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      • #4
        I see bad nits make this play constantly at 2NL. They sit around all day waiting for TT+ and AK, so when they finally get a hand and see a flop, they spaz out. This guy isn't aware of your image. He's not aware of your range. He's a level one thinker probably playing 24 tables and breaking even, because loose passives call with worse often enough. He sees the flop, thinks "It's a paired board, Mike won't have a king very often, I have a pair, ALL IN!"

        This sort of play is especially common among the guys that buy-in for 80c. They were schooled on the short-stack strategy recommended on another forum, which was designed for 20bb stacks, but they play the same way with 40bb. i.e. "Raise pre, shove every flop whether you hit it or not". It's a ridiculous strategy, but it just about works at 2NL. (I knew one guy on a rival network that always open-shoved 40bb with JJ-66 and AJ+, regardless of position or action in front of him, and he was winning at 8bb/100 over a sample of 400,000 hands of 2NL. When he tried the same strategy at 5NL, he got crushed.)
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        • #5
          wow really 8bb/100 playing like that, that's mad fair play though. yh this shove made no sense to me i was like why would you do this i would of found that fold button as well if that fish didn't peel a $1 off me.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mike2198 View Post
            i thought a nit plays like 8% of hands?
            JJ is in the top 8% of hands.
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            • #7
              I know you said hes not a nit but he had 8% vpip i was asking is a nit someone who only plays 8% of hands, sorry im bad at explaining.

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              • #8
                8% VPIP is quite nitty for 6-max.

                I didn't say he wasn't a nit. You asked for possible reasons why a nit might do this, and gave no read information, so one of the possible reasons is it's a bad read and he's not a nit. If you had said in the OP his VPIP is 8% I would have excluded misread on "nit" as a possible reason.
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                • #9
                  Oh sorry my bad lol ok yh thats my fault again i never give enough information.

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