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  • 2NL tricky turn

    hand #6 in a 2NL cash game today. No major reads yet. I didn't wanna go and fold two big blinds in a row and set a pattern that I'm easy to steal from, hence the call. On the flop, when he checks I don't put him on an Ace, he probably would've bet it. In retrospect, he did check the turn, and then made a big overbet with his check-raise. I'm kinda puzzled. I think my fold is pretty much spot on. Or can anyone see the villain doing this with anything other than a made flush?
    Last edited by Ov3rsight; Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:07 PM.
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  • #2
    Tough to really know what villain is up to considering the positions, the action, and no reads. It seems very plausible that villain is check-raising big on the turn with a better Q, flush, or slowplayed set that just filled up.

    Something to consider in this hand: If you think Q9o was good enough to make a call here (for image reasons), wouldn't it be at least as good to raise with? A cautious assumption would be that Q9o is not stronger than villains opening range so there isn't much card value in calling. Some value is added from being is position though. Q9o is simply not very playable either. This hand is a good example of that. You tripped up on the turn and still hate seeing villain play back at you.


    • #3
      Hi Ov3rsight,

      Don't defend your blind simply because you're worried about a pattern that you're easy to steal from being established... this thinking is a leak imo and will lead to you making mistakes. You know you're not easy to steal from, so if villains start to think you are, it will lead them into more mistakes when they learn the hard way... and if circumstances bring it to be that you don't defend for several orbits and it seems like they are reacting to this image to attack more, then you'll get more good resteal spots later on, so it's all good. And 2 times in a row is not a pattern imo, it needs to go on more than this for me to think someone in the blinds doesn't defend. On top of all that, at 2nl we can't even assume the villains are paying that close of attention or know what to do with the info if they are.

      So on the flop, when he checks to me I think weak aces are in his range, Qx (hands that have showdown value but are not truly strong/can't get called by worse often when c-betting), or the occassional monster slow playing (AQ, 66, AA). While it's possible he check-called a flush draw, I would generally expect him to bet draws as a semi-bluff to rep the ace. And to bet air for the same reason.

      Turn check-raise sure looks like a big hand to me, and with you taking the lead on the flop it's how I'd expect him to play one. (Betting the flop is something I would not have done here with Q9, you don't rate to get called by worse hands when you bet, nor will better hands fold, and most of his check-calling range will be beating you. If you are ahead, a free card isn't a disaster as only a K is concerning. Ask yourself why you're betting. You assumed his check meant no ace, so what are you getting called by?)

      I think the big hand category is Qx+, not just flushes or boats, but even so most of his Qx hands are beating our kicker anyway, so folding here is fine.
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      • #4
        I'm definitely checking the flop. You have position and a hand with showdown value. You can get value from worse by waiting till the turn before putting any money in the pot. Putting money in the pot on three streets with second pair, average kicker is not a good idea.
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