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25NL FR Zoom: 4-betting a TAG

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  • 25NL FR Zoom: 4-betting a TAG

    This hand is from 25NL Zoom. I have noticed that many TAG regs have a high 3-bet% from the blinds when facing a steal raise from the CO or BTN. Also, that they tend to 3-bet in spots like this one when facing a raise and call from a weak player. In other words, TAGs seem to 3-bet light against ABC players. Is this standard?

    http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...691_25AF99D428

    V2 is a loose-passive player over 150 hands. V3 is a solid TAG reg. I have 1K+ hands on him. He has 3-bet my btn steals several times. I flatted him two weeks ago in one of these spots and he showed down 75s.

    This is the first time I have ever 4-bet light, but it looked like a good spot to give it a try. Especially since my EP raise usually means a very strong hand. I expected him to fold. I would have folded to a shove. And I would have been in a very difficult spot had he just called.

    Does this seem like a viable approach to be used against TAGs in general?

    Also, what is the standard bet size when 4-betting? This is a pretty new area for me.

    Thanks!

    Roland GTX

  • #2
    heey roland, seems this was a good 4 bet spot, but i personaly like to flat in these positions since you are in possition you can look what he does on the flop.
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    • #3
      Hey Roland GTX. Idk about the level of TAGs at 25NL but generally TAGs at lower limits do 3-bet button steals often. Probably beacause they steal buttons often they expect other people to do this. When you call into their 3-bets in position they will almost always donk bet a ridiculously high pot percentage. Just remember, if they call your 4-bet, you've probably already won the pot since that is a huge mistake, be ready to do what it takes to win on the flop or lose the minimum trying. umbup: EDIT: Oh and another thing. If this guy defends from the blinds as much as I'm lead to belive, that's definately a leak. He will spew a fair amount of chips whenever the 3-bet fails.
      Last edited by Low Rated; Thu Apr 11, 2013, 09:30 PM. Reason: Addition to previous reply ~

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      • #4
        Hey Roland I like four-betting here, of course to fold to a shove. I think your size is too big though. I think you could get away with just 7$. If you know the opponent you can even get away with less sometimes! But for the time being, something like 7$ is a great place to start. You are projecting huge strength no matter what. If anything 7$ looks scarier than 8$+. It looks like you have an absolute monster, where some opponents will be more prone to put you on AKo the more you four bet. umbup: Congrats on losing your light four bet virginity. And you got paid to do it too!

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        • #5
          ur 4 bet is far too big i think, it says in my book here (the poker blue print) a 4 bet should never be more than 30 BB,s. the correct amount is between 2.1 - 2.5 times the 3 bet size. (tried to upload the page im reading for u but epic fail )

          QAo prolly too strong here to 4 bet in position tho against a light 3 bettor...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by UrGetinTaxed View Post
            ur 4 bet is far too big i think, it says in my book here (the poker blue print) a 4 bet should never be more than 30 BB,s. the correct amount is between 2.1 - 2.5 times the 3 bet size. (tried to upload the page im reading for u but epic fail )

            QAo prolly too strong here to 4 bet in position tho against a light 3 bettor...
            Oh, what book are you reading? I bought a whole bunch of books when I was first trying to learn poker - the 'poker celebrity' ones I didn't wind up finding so helpful (Daniel Negreanu, Phil Hellmuth, etc), but the Malmuth/Sklansky type ones were great for learning the basics I thought.

            But when it comes to plugging leaks and stuff, I've been finding the resources here at PSO way more helpful? Like Live Training, the video library - especially when they're tailored to particular games on Stars?

            But it's always fun to find a good book! TMGP2 should be out soon, there's that too (The Mental Game of Poker 2 )
            Last edited by TrustySam; Fri Apr 12, 2013, 12:27 AM.

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            • #7
              @Sam, The Poker Blueprint is the name of the book. http://www.amazon.com/The-Poker-Blue.../dp/0982402236

              I agree with Gareth's analysis, but am a bit lost on why there is all the discussion about the villain's 3-betting our button steals? We are UTG+1, what does villains 3b frequency vs. steal raises have to do with this hand??
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              • #8
                Thanks for all the input everyone!

                @Dave, I had history with the villain catching him 3-betting my btn steal light. It was all part of my notes and read on the villain. I had written "V3 is a solid TAG reg. I have 1K+ hands on him. He has 3-bet my btn steals several times. I flatted him two weeks ago in one of these spots and he showed down 75s". Was 3-betting light a villain spesific note, or a general tendency of TAGs.

                @UrGettinTaxed, thanks for the 4-bet size recommendations!

                @Gareth, thanks! Being a 44 year old virgin kinda sucked

                Several of you mentioned calling the 3-bet. I see how this can be good, but personally, I know Im going to struggel with this hand postflop. I would rather take it down now rather than creating an unclear situation with a big pot. I lke to keep it simple

                Greg (Roland GTX)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TheLangolier View Post
                  @Sam, The Poker Blueprint is the name of the book. http://www.amazon.com/The-Poker-Blue.../dp/0982402236
                  Oh ... bwahaha!! Okay, thanks Dave!! umbup:

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