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2NL zoom,slowplayed straight on turn, got checkraised on dry river

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  • 2NL zoom,slowplayed straight on turn, got checkraised on dry river

    Villain was 21/5 after 19 hands After he donks the flop, I assign him straight/flush draws,top pair and sets except JJ, have about 30% equity in this spot so it's thin but still profitable call I decided to give him a free card on turn hoping to extract more value from his weaker holdings, and give him a chance to bluff, when he misses. The river checkraise from him gets me thinking about him having slowplayed sets and sometimes a bluff since I checked the turn ,so I jam, hoping to see 22,TT maybe Q9 and JK
    Is the check on turn is correct? The river move? Or is it to marginal spot to play and should be a flop-fold? Thanks in advance
    Last edited by morduk666; Wed Apr 03, 2013, 07:20 PM.

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    Raise the flop imo, he will donk here with lots of worse hands that contain 1 diamond so charge him to draw. If he re-raises you, you can be pretty sure your behind and make an easy fold without investing too much. As played definately bet the turn, you have the second nuts and need value and protection, if a diamond hits your screwed so giving him a free card is terrible!

    OTR I'm defintely betting for value but when he raises I would just call, your getting just under 4-1 and I think he will definately do this with worse hands that believe they're best such as JT/KJ/KT as well as the oddly played sets in his range. However if you re-raise what do you expect to be called by that's worse? Imo only the strongest hands in his range are calling, i.e. flushes.
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    • #3
      Hi morduk,

      I think the flop call is marginal. The only turn card we like at all is the off suit king and even that can be drawing dead sometimes. And we won't be able to continue vs. a turn barrel without improvement, allowing us to get semi-bluffed sometimes as well.

      On the turn I think we should always be betting here, giving a free card not what we want to do. A lot of his weaker holdings will give us value right here on the turn, but not give action on the river unless they improve to beat us. Hands like AdTs for example, is not going to call a river bet unimproved but with the nut flush draw and a gut shot will always give us value on the turn. Two pairs or sets won't like any diamond, A, Q, or 9 coming off and won't give action, but will call the turn. Get your value now while you still can.

      The river check-raise is very disconcerting. I think the most likely possibilities are:

      1) He has the flush
      2) He's making a bluff because we checked the turn, and he things we're weak

      Considering that the 2nd one isn't even a play in the arsenal of many players at these stakes, I think we are beat fairly often here. I wouldn't raise again as he will surely fold any bluffs to a raise anyway. I wouldn't fold either as he could be overvaluing a slightly worse hand considering the action sequence on the flop and turn, but it's somewhat of a crying call imo.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Croyd93 View Post
        Raise the flop imo, he will donk here with lots of worse hands that contain 1 diamond so charge him to draw. If he re-raises you, you can be pretty sure your behind and make an easy fold without investing too much.
        I don't like raising the flop, as I don't expect diamond draws or top pair to fold to it and we are basically bluffing with ace high without being able to get too many better hands to fold.. Against an aggressive player it sets up a nice semi-bluff reraise as well, so we can actually be folding the best hand sometimes to a re-raise.
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