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    Teco had just joined the table never come across him before what would you do here? Grade b
    I am always ready to learn although I do not always like being taught. ~Winston Churchill

    13 Time Bracelet Winner



  • #2
    Hi Grade b,
    Last edited by rule110; Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:32 AM.

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    • #3
      Oh, there
      Last edited by rule110; Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:32 AM.

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      • #4
        very nice summery rule 110,

        have to say most of that did not go though my head as i decided to play or fold.

        I still don't have many hands with him as he left shortly after this hand.

        i like the thought about the bluffing more at first when new to a table.

        Grade b
        I am always ready to learn although I do not always like being taught. ~Winston Churchill

        13 Time Bracelet Winner


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        • #5
          hey B, 888 springs to mind, i would rule out the opps possibilities of a K as i have one,

          I would rule out aces as no reraise

          good fold i think you were dominated

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          • #6
            hi Grade B.

            Your raise and all those calls set up a very low SPR going to the flop that favors you stacking off with Top/top far more often than not on a pretty dry board.

            the fact is a donk shover like this is rarely going to hold AA in a passive/cally table dynamic, and he'd be much more likely to raise that.

            this is a pretty solid spot for him to check a "big hand", as you are quite likely to C bet here a lot, and his jam looks like he is trying to get a fold to take down the pot.

            If the moeny were deeper, or if you had a read saying this guy is on the tighter and more passive side, a fold IS possible, but in most spots you gotta play this out after creating that big pot on this depth of moeny.

            hope it helps.

            -JDean
            Double Bracelet Winner

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            • #7
              ty everyone,

              I note that Jdean has now metioned SPr in two of his posts of my hands time to go back and rewatch those videos of Daves

              I don't get it!!!

              Its not ok to play top top if i bet light pre but if i over bet pre it is ok

              arrrrr my brain hurts!!! (maybe i'll wait for sunday to look at that.)
              I am always ready to learn although I do not always like being taught. ~Winston Churchill

              13 Time Bracelet Winner


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              • #8
                Hi Grade B...

                SPR in a nut shell...

                the BIGGER the pot is in relation to the chips (meaning a low SPR) you have left in the effective stack (the smallest remaining in the hand), the WEAKER the hand you really need to feel ok in stacking off with.

                this is effected by:

                - board texture
                (the more coordinated the board, the higher likelihood a 1 pair hand may not be good.)

                - opponent tendencies
                (tight/passive opps raising on an UNCOORDINATED board may mean less likelihood they are not on a monster like a set. Loose/Aggro opps, who habitually play draws strongly, may only hold a DRAW on even highly coordinated boards)

                - number of opps left to act in the hand (even those who checked for "relative position").

                (the more opps left in the hand, the LOWER the SPR should be to consider stacking off with a 1 pair hand. HU an SPR under about 6 is ok to think of it with a hand liek top/top. vs 2 opps, you'd really want it more like 3 or 4 at most. Vs more opps than that, you'd want an even lower SPR to go on a 1 pair hand).

                Here is a good link that might help supplement Dave's great videoes on SPR: http://www.thepokerbank.com/strategy/general/spr/

                SPR first appeared in the Flynn, Mehta, and Miller book, "Professional No Limit Hold 'em, Vol I" and this is still a great reference for the important cash game concept of SPR.

                hope it helps!

                -JDean
                Double Bracelet Winner

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